No you are wrong, did you read the e-mail that was sent out? They said the staffing will be adjusted.

Yes I did but you only referred to the initial bid of one list, CA or FO. The numbers I used are the numbers based upon what the email state (the big picture). It did have a disclaimed stating the exact numbers of a/c and crews have yet to be determined, but it does then refer to the anticipated staffing levels per domicile. To begin it shows 70-120 (CA+FO) headed to IAH and then goes on to state it anticipates 200 overall. With MSP showing 70-120 (CA+FO) with anticipations of 140 overall.


You stated:
Simple put, you were wrong.

Where are you guys getting your info that this is UAL flying? Its CAL flying originating in Houston and in direct violation of our scope clause. UAL never had any IAH originating flights and the destinations your serving FROM IAH should be flown by mainline unless its 50 seats or less.

I can guaranty that you won't be sitting on many CAL jumpseats to get to and from work and if I were you, I'd ask management to rethink this? That is unless you like purposely violating other carriers contracts.

Good Luck !!

That's between you, your management, and the lawyers. If its found to be a violation of the contract then we won't be flying out of IAH with 700s. Punish your management and not your fellow pilots.

Guys like you just like to run your mouths. How is it the fault of the skywest pilots if your contract may or may not be followed?

Does UA/CO have single carrier status? No. This is UA flying until then. No "violation" can exist at a carrier SkyW doesn't fly for. UA has been flying 700's in and out of Huston for years.

BTW... no one at SkyW wants any of this flying.

Respectfully we all realize that UAL doesn't have any originating flights in IAH and that this is most definitely CAL routes. We also understand that it’s in violation of your scope but preventing it us up to you guys and you guys alone, we cannot refuse to fly anything other than struck work without recourse. Remember that we want no part of this but we are forced into whatever you allow.

The buck stops with you! Figure out how your management team plans to work around your scope and STOP IT!!!! 99% of us need you to preserve our mainline jobs because, other than you guys (CAL pilots), most mainline pilots haven’t done a good job persevering anything. I hope after the JCBA you can bring it all back in-house!

Jeezus guys, whats next, are you going to ask me what the definition of "is" is?

This is CAL flying PERIOD. You are violating our scope provision by participating in this flying. For those of you contractually challenged this is a big no-no in the airline world.

So if I'm getting this right, you would purposely violate another carriers contract and just shrug your shoulder and say "oh well"????

Unfortunately for you guys, you're going to need rides on us a lot more than we need them on you and you ain't gonna be welcome on a good many CAL Captains Jumpseats.

Again, Good Luck with that and maybe one-day you'll undertstand what an enforceable contract is.

B f'ing S. I know you used to fly between a UAL hub and Houston and that was it. Get your facts straight and try and show me how many flights you flew from IAH to a non UAL hub using 70 seat aircraft.

Then enforce your contract and put an end to it. Again the buck stops with you!

At the very least I expected some of you to say we were absolutely right and they wished us luck getting rid of you.

See you on the line guys !!!

I know I don't need to explain what a picket line is to you? Certainly not seeing that CAL has their fair share of scabs. Far more than SKW, which BTW has never flown struck work. There's no picket line here, if there was we'd be walking, if this is legal then we have no choice but to fly. Figure out what your management team plans to do and end it!

Match,

My argument isn't with you. You seem to get it and I can respect that. Its your fellow Skywesters who are salivating at the chance to fly broken contract work who make me sick.


Problem is it doesn't change a thing as far as jumpseat is concerned. No Skywesty sits on my aircraft after Jan 1st in and out of IAH.

There's a legal process to follow and a jumpseat war is not the right way to go about enforcing your contract. It simply hurts both pilot groups and empowers management.

A large majority of SKW pilots get it as well. On our internal forum there's a thread dedicated to it, but as with every airline there are a few who will jump at just about anything to improve their lives today without fully understanding what it might do to them tomorrow. The example I like to give my FO's is the shedding of flying that has taken place over that last decade. It may have benefited my life up till now but it has had a devastating effect on my/our career(s).

All flying should be done in-house, period. I wish you would accept the JSr and take the time to teach because denying him only adds justification (in his mind) to what he or she is doing. Besides, he was probably forced displace there anyway.

My 9 month old just woke up, good night and good luck!

Did you notice the earlier post that showed only 18 captains and 21 fo's had IAH as their first choice? That's less than 1.5% of our pilot group!

The people who actually want to go to IAH will not be commuting...they already live there. Denying folks the JS is only going to hurt those who got junior-manned. SKW has historically allowed us to decline to fly struck work but I don't think this is going to qualify. A JS war is only going to PO a lot of folks and cause a few folks to move to houston against their will.

IAH is a not a good airport to try to lock people out with the JS...kind of like LA or SFO. If people have to they will just take SWA to Hobby and then take the bus to IAH. That's not going to work so well for the CAL pilot who commutes from Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado, etc...

757driver, no one at skywest is looking forward to flying in Iah. Many of us have adjusted to the stagnation and made the best of it for the time being (living in domicile). Is your MEC grieving this feverishly? What is the companys response? I ask because the ball is in your court. We at skywest are
Nothing but pawns in this game. I wish you guys the best of luck resolving this matter and I say that sincerely. I have been vocal about my support for a new jcba with tighter scope, even though it would be at the expense of my job.

Where do the 25 UAL furloughs that are currently flying for SkyW fit into this JS war? Will they be denied the JS as well?

There is no JS war! I will happily accept everyone and so will 99.9% of our pilots. If one of our pilots does get denied by a CAL pilot then proper channels will be followed and still no CAL pilot will be denied on a SKW a/c. No matter what some internet tough guys say, we are very open minded at SKW and want to work with everyone for a better future.

The ball is in CAL/UAL ALPA’s court, we just have to wait and see what the JCBA will allow.

Note: There is a CA at SKW who will deny anyone other than a Fed, Check Airmen for a LC only or Mgmt. We have filled numerous complaints and he still won't take anyone, even a SKWr. I am sorry if anyone has been or ends up being denied by him, even I have had the “pleasure” :mad: of being left behind by this guy.

Give it a few months but iah will go senior to msp and ord. It may even end up that way before the bid closes. People will take it not because they want to be in iah but it is easier to commute in and out of than ord.

Oh and 757driver if you want to play that game then bring it on.

With the potential for only 20 frames in IAH to start with you don't stand a chance in a Jumpseat war. I would encourage you to pipe down, or you might find it very difficult to get to work. I guarantee you, if the CAL guys want to pull this off they will, and who do you think the other regionals flying for CAL will side with?

Good luck, I certainly hope you are the minority, otherwise, there will be many canceled flights at good o'le skywest.

Does Skywest have a commuter policy?

No commuter policy. If can't make your commute, they will allegedly mark it as an emergency. But it doesn't always go down that way and I say that from experience.

SkyWest pilots are hardly "salivating over flying 70 seaters in violation of your contract". Maybe you should realize that before you come on here and make an @$$ out of yourself. I undertand your frustration, but there is NO NEED TO TAKE IT OUT ON THE PILOTS.

We'll see about that remember who controls all the feed west of the rockies. So yeah if you wanna play that game bring it.

Irrelevant! All of the flights from the west coast to the CAL bases are mainline. If you think your 20 crjs in IAH are going to put a dent on the CAL commuters, you're delusional.

Please don't listen to Slaphappy and don’t feed him…………..

He's delusional and I’m pretty sure his dream is to live in SGU and work in Mgt. He's a minority at SKW; I'd say a 5%r. When I move on I hope he stays at SKW for life since he had his lips surgically attached to Jerry’s…………………Holy Grail.

IAH will not go senior. It will be more Jr than LAX, SFO, SLC, MSP and DEN but eventually more Sr than ORD.

757driver, you won’t have any problem with the SKW pilot group, what you all negotiate we will live.

MOD INPUT:

Don't feed the troll people...

Slaphappy: please lay off now, you made your point but I'm not going to let you fan the flames. I don't think you're going to IAH, so don't stir it up for those who might.

Misdirect your anger much?

You're not helping anything, really.

Please stop. No, really, just stop. You give Skywest pilots an awful reputation.

Seriously? How about some initials and a base??

Not a fan of posting that info on the forums so check you PM's and keep an eye out for him. He'll deny you to your face.

Matchpoint pm me this info if you would. I commute into work and it would be handy to know when I check the flights so I can swap over to southwest and not waste my time on my own company.

It's not about being angry, it's about violating our contract. Your airline is about to violate our contract via our management. I don't like it and if I'm a little angry you'll probably just have to live with that until its remedied.

Is your MEC working diligently to get this matter stopped before it gets off the ground? I agree that ethically, our and your soon to be management is trying to pull a fast one but technically we will be operating those flights for the old united. We are not flying struck work, nor do we have a codeshare with CAL that is in violation of your contract. Semantics I know, but we will probably agree to disagree.

I'd agree with you if it were United mainline airframes doing the flying, but they aren't. Yes it will probably end up in the management friendly Texas court system and hopefully shot down but I'm not holding my breath.

Your contract is between you and your company. It can only be violated by one of the two parties involved in that contract.

Your management is screwing you, plain and simple.

Unfortunately that is the world we live in. I only hope you guys come out with an iron clad jcba that will restrict this scenario from existing and repeating itself. If it were up to me, we at skywest, would still be flying t-props on the west coast and nothing else.

As an XJT guy, I am not happy about this - however I will not deny anyone a ride because of it. As a commuter I'm worried about the tone of this conversation. We do not need to start a jumpseat war.

CAL guys, you have every right to be livid but you need to direct your anger at Smisek and Co. instead of the Skywest guys. Like they said, they cannot refuse this flying.

Remember what Gordon said "If you take a dollar away from a pilot, he will find a way to take ten dollars away from you." Now is the time to start making them pay. Taxi slow with both engines and APU running, fly slow and be late, write up EVERYTHING - if you are at an outstation, so much the better. Now is the time to make CAL mgt. pay for their arrogance. The game is on - they just sent a shot across the bow. Are you going to fire back and go for the kill, or curl up into a ball and raise the white flag.

The most important thing - absolutely DO NOT CAVE ON SCOPE. Enough is enough. You guys are the only ones that have a chance to stop this downward spiral. If you don't, in ten years virtually all domestic flying will be done by the regionals.

For the record, I'm not happy about this either. That said, I've gotta ask:

How did you feel when XJT opened a base in ORD? Honest question with no flame intended. I am noticing that quite a few XJT guys are angry that SKW is opening a crew base in IAH, yet XJT can open a base in ORD, and its okay?

Oh, and +1 to everything you said.