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Skywest Nov class 11/29
Where is training at for SkyWest and what base/equipment can one expect in this upcoming class. Also, what is the set up for training ie: hotel covered?, prediem during training...ect.
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Training is at the SLC airport, hotel (double occupancy) and reduced guarantee pay is provided for new hires. No per diem for new hires IIRC. I think you get full pay and per diem after your simulator checkride?
I suspect this will be a Brasilia class, junior base FAT, but SLC, LAX, or other California towns might be possible. Assuming you are UAL, you get jet FO pay even on the EMB, right? |
Is this a new hire class? Did anyone in the pool get invited?
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I wouldn't be surprised if they put you on the rj and send you to IAH or MSP which are both opening up next year.
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This class is for the RJ, United furloughees are started at 2nd year pay.
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Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
(Post 898524)
This class is for the RJ, United furloughees are started at 2nd year pay.
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Sounds like they are better off getting the Brasilia...If they get the RJ in IAH, the CAL pilots are going to put them on the "list" and deny them the jumpseat.....:rolleyes:
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Remember to smile for your picture in IAH! :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
(Post 898524)
This class is for the RJ, United furloughees are started at 2nd year pay.
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Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi
(Post 898553)
Care to share where you got this information? Just curious because SKW pilots are always the very last to know about anything.
Letter of Agreement that is in place...2nd year pay CRJ700 F/O pay for starting United furloughs. |
Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
(Post 898535)
I wouldn't hold my breath for that one.
SP |
Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
(Post 898566)
Really? For the RIGHT SEAT of the CRJ? Why would any of us "hold our breath for that one"???
SP |
Originally Posted by contrail67
(Post 898565)
Letter of Agreement that is in place...2nd year pay CRJ700 F/O pay for starting United furloughs.
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Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
(Post 898569)
Many pilots already here at SKYW Express looking to make the move to SKYW Mainline. If they get passed over for an RJ slot there will be a riot.
You forgot the little smiley TIC. Many pilots at UAL flew those same routes and flights a decade ago at Mainline (the real United), and now get a few right seat new hire offers at a small fraction of the pay as consolation prize? The riot should be, and I hope will be, at CAL and UAL over Scope! The words "Operated by" should no longer part of the boarding announcement for ANY future UAL flight. UAL pilots should be in both seats. As far as the "riots" at SKYW go, CRJs it is. The only thing we are holding our breath over is JCBA SCOPE! Hope you understand why, SP |
Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
(Post 898584)
Inop,
You forgot the little smiley TIC. Many pilots at UAL flew those same routes and flights a decade ago at Mainline (the real United), and now get a few right seat new hire offers at a small fraction of the pay as consolation prize? The riot should be, and I hope will be, at CAL and UAL over Scope! The words "Operated by" should no longer part of the boarding announcement for ANY future UAL flight. UAL pilots should be in both seats. As far as the "riots" at SKYW go, CRJs it is. The only thing we are holding our breath over is JCBA SCOPE! Hope you understand why, SP All I am saying is: Don't expect new hires to go into the jet. |
Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
(Post 898566)
Really? For the RIGHT SEAT of the CRJ? Why would any of us "hold our breath for that one"???
SP |
Originally Posted by RJDio
(Post 898614)
So you can neglect your brain from O2 and make you delirious enough to think you are a Big boy airline pilot:D. I mean its the RJ be careful or our wake:eek:.
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Originally Posted by RJDio
(Post 898614)
So you can neglect your brain from O2 and make you delirious enough to think you are a Big boy airline pilot:D. I mean its the RJ be careful or our wake:eek:.
Completely off target with that one, but nice try. There is NO problem in my book with those jets or routes at all! Please don't get small jet syndrome on us now. :eek: I would love to fly one of them - For Mainline UAL with good pay and work rules. The outsourcing of jobs with corresponding pathetic pay scales are the issue. YES, I know, that it is something we at UAL gave away and allowed to happen with short sighted dreams now turned nightmares. It is well past time to make some needed corrections for past mistakes. The current race to the bottom with lowest bidding feeder winning, will result in many in this industry working for bottom feeders. No real security in hoping your company can underbid the others. Sorry if I don't hold my breath and jump up and down. Without an afterburner or a tailhook, it is just another aircraft to me. SP |
So these guys going directly into the right seat of the CRJ as new hires....is this just the rumor, expectation, or is it actually officially happening? :confused:
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Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
(Post 898633)
RJDio,
Completely off target with that one, but nice try. There is NO problem in my book with those jets or routes at all! Please don't get small jet syndrome on us now. :eek: I would love to fly one of them - For Mainline UAL with good pay and work rules. The outsourcing of jobs with corresponding pathetic pay scales are the issue. YES, I know, that it is something we at UAL gave away and allowed to happen with short sighted dreams now turned nightmares. It is well past time to make some needed corrections for past mistakes. The current race to the bottom with lowest bidding feeder winning, will result in many in this industry working for bottom feeders. No real security in hoping your company can underbid the others. Sorry if I don't hold my breath and jump up and down. Without an afterburner or a tailhook, it is just another aircraft to me. SP I fly the RJ and am proud to fly it, no little jet syndrome here. Getting better pay on it is preeching to the choir here, that's why I voted our pay package down and I will do it until we actually get something fair. Are you a UAL furloughee coming to skywest? if so welcome aboard. if not, you're always welcome. |
Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
(Post 898633)
I would love to fly one of them - For Mainline UAL with good pay and work rules.
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Originally Posted by RJDio
(Post 898655)
Sonora just trying to bring some levity to the conversation before it spirals into something else. Plus i couldn't help myself with the good set up you gave.
I fly the RJ and am proud to fly it, no little jet syndrome here. Getting better pay on it is preeching to the choir here, that's why I voted our pay package down and I will do it until we actually get something fair. Are you a UAL furloughee coming to skywest? if so welcome aboard. if not, you're always welcome. My mistake. You very cleverly disguised that remark, and I missed the fact that you were actually just adding some "levity". Next time I see something that seems so completely shallow and childish on the surface, I will look twice for the hidden deeper meaning. ;) If it is all the same, I hope to see both of us at UAL mainline. SP
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 898661)
SKW has better domestic work rules than UAL :(
You might be right... SP
Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi
(Post 898638)
So these guys going directly into the right seat of the CRJ as new hires....is this just the rumor, expectation, or is it actually officially happening? :confused:
I guess you have a point in your question. It is only rumor and expectation until it happens, as things can and do change frequently. It is currently planned for the CRJ, and I guess we will all find out soon if it will be official. SP |
So if the EMB guys are going to start a riot over the notion a furloughed United guy may take an RJ seat, I can only imagine the attitude around SKW when by gods good grace UAL/CAL shut down the outsourced flying gig. So perhaps instead of throwing a hissy fit if a UA guy does in fact get a RJ seat, they may want to focus more on the bigger picture looming on the horizon. Sometimes the sense of entitlement is a dangerous thing.
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Originally Posted by E6-B
(Post 898618)
Hey, its not the size of your airplane. It's how you fly it.
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Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
(Post 898569)
Many pilots already here at SKYW Express looking to make the move to SKYW Mainline. If they get passed over for an RJ slot there will be a riot.
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Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
(Post 898689)
RJDio,
My mistake. You very cleverly disguised that remark, and I missed the fact that you were actually just adding some "levity". Next time I see something that seems so completely shallow and childish on the surface, I will look twice for the hidden deeper meaning. ;) If it is all the same, I hope to see both of us at UAL mainline. SP SP |
So what happens when all the "RJ flying" comes in house and all domestic flying is done by "RJs" under "RJ" pay and workrules.....and the only mainline flying is trans-cons and international? Be careful what you wish for.....Once you "buy" it and bring it in house, there is nothing stoping management from moving most domestic flying to "RJs" with the accompanying pay and workrules....
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
(Post 898895)
So what happens when all the "RJ flying" comes in house and all domestic flying is done by "RJs" under "RJ" pay and workrules.....and the only mainline flying is trans-cons and international? Be careful what you wish for.....Once you "buy" it and bring it in house, there is nothing stoping management from moving most domestic flying to "RJs" with the accompanying pay and workrules....
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 898900)
At least in-house you can control it better. Living wage for FO's, six-figures for CA's and reasonable work rules. If that means that it's no longer economical to provide service to podunk falls, then the podunkians can either pay what the service is worth or take the bus. Greyhound can hire the regional pilots who don't make the cut...same job but no leadership or interpersonal skills required.
As far as "six-figures for CA's", many already have that under the current system... |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 898900)
Greyhound can hire the regional pilots who don't make the cut...same job but no leadership or interpersonal skills required.
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Aw, come on Newty! Didn't you take the FO's Oath? ;)
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Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi
(Post 898962)
Aw, come on Newty! Didn't you take the FO's Oath? ;)
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Originally Posted by Newty
(Post 898973)
I had my fingers crossed
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 898900)
At least in-house you can control it better. Living wage for FO's, six-figures for CA's and reasonable work rules. If that means that it's no longer economical to provide service to podunk falls, then the podunkians can either pay what the service is worth or take the bus. Greyhound can hire the regional pilots who don't make the cut...same job but no leadership or interpersonal skills required.
That's why I predict UA/CAL will cave on 66 seat scope. The senior guys will get a nice raise and throw everyone trying to make it up the ladder under the bus. SkyW doubled down on their RJ bet by buying Xjet (and ASA for that matter) and their share price keeps rising. I wounder what the insiders already know... hmmm??? Sorry about the tread-jacking.. as you were... |
Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
(Post 899107)
Not really... podunkians will fly another carrier who has RJ's and a cheap price and UA/CAL may get hammered in many mid size markets. That's the rub. Bring RJ's less that 70 seats "in-house" and everyone else will have a competative advantage.
That's why I predict UA/CAL will cave on 66 seat scope. The senior guys will get a nice raise and throw everyone trying to make it up the ladder under the bus. SkyW doubled down on their RJ bet by buying Xjet (and ASA for that matter) and their share price keeps rising. I wounder what the insiders already know... hmmm??? Sorry about the tread-jacking.. as you were... I predict 50+ seat rj's to come in house eventually and 50 seaters left alone. My guess for skywest buying xjt is they were cheap with guaranteed contracts. |
Originally Posted by RJDio
(Post 899189)
The bigger rj's are used between major cities which doesnt make sense to me.
Vacation travelers are flexible and might be happy with one daily option, but the business and premium travelers who are the bread-and-butter of hub-and-spoke will not tolerate a five hour hub sit to make their connection. Airport appreciation is for crews only, not customers. Even though larger planes are more economical per seat, passengers prefer five or six daily flights rather than one or two. That, combined with lower wages for RJ crews, helps to tip the scales. Until congestion and/or fuel prices force the airlines to move to fewer, larger airplanes, they will follow market demand. A mainline pilot group which brings RJ's in-house and then charges narrow-body wages to fly them might very well wind up non-competitive. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 899247)
A mainline pilot group which brings RJ's in-house and then charges narrow-body wages to fly them might very well wind up non-competitive.
I'm sorry, but you're going to tell me that even if they got $100 more per hour EACH, it would make them noncompetitive? Take a two-ish hour flight from EWR-ORD. You're telling me that the difference between profitable and uprofitable is $400? [EDIT: PROFANITY REMOVED]. That's a little over $5 a seat on a 76-seat RJ.. Take that raise down to something resembling the difference between your average RJ rate and what, say, united airbus crews make and it's laughable. If $1.50 a ticket is the difference between your airline being profitable and failing, you're running it wrong. Period. |
Just for reference, does anybody remember that documentary a news reporter did about an average AA flight? Does anybody remember that, at the end, AA only made like $500 on the flight? So yes, $400 would make a difference, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi
(Post 899450)
Just for reference, does anybody remember that documentary a news reporter did about an average AA flight? Does anybody remember that, at the end, AA only made like $500 on the flight? So yes, $400 would make a difference, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by dosbo
(Post 899488)
Raise ticket prices a few dollars:confused:
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