Attn HPN/PHL, LGA/PHL, and EWR/PHL pilots
 

Please stop asking on contact for the SBJ.V3.Mazie.PHL shortcut. We're all aware that you're trying to save time, and trust me when I tell you that we try get it for you whenever you can, but its getting pretty ridiculous now with every single pilot asking for it all the time, specially during busy times, as that route puts you in direct conflict with all the satellite arrivals flying the Jayke2 star.

Perhaps having your NATCA reps work though the union reps of the "offending" airlines would be a more effective method of communicating than APC?

That's what I'm thinking. You're only hitting 5% or so of the Piedm...errrrr....HPN/PHL-LGA/PHL pilots by putting it out on here.

Will you give it to us if we don't ask? Should we stop asking after 9am? I mean, suggest some alternatives.

Dude, did you join this forum just to complain?

A simple 'unable' usually works if you can't accommodate a request.

Talk to Phil...hell, you work with him...he's in your area!!

Yeah, because nobody else does that. :rolleyes:

An easy reply of "Sure, you can expect that and holding. Advise when ready to copy." Should quell any of those requests in the future.

I actually make it a point to give to the ones that don't ask.

And yes.... if its dead slow, we really don't mind. its the constant asking in the middle of busy times that tick us off.

Phil? he hasn't stepped in our area with a headset on in years and has total disconnect with our issues.

Anyway...sorry for the 'whine". Just a frustrating continuing issue and I agree this is probably not the right venue for it. My apologies.

Ajax no apologies needed. Tell us what else irks you. We're listening...

actually...that and the ocasional pilot that doesn't read the EWR8 or the TEB6/Ruudy2 departure notes are the only "irks" most of us have.

99.9% of the pilots I speak to on a daily basis are very professional, and know the drill in our airspace.

I am in particular very impressed with the quality of the regional pilots flying into EWR nowadays. Readback mistakes and pilot deviations are down significantly compared to years past. Not sure what's changed in the industry as far as training goes, but I'm very pleased to work with this new generation of professional pilots.

Competition,
that's what has changed. Most of the pilots flying right now have been doing it for a while. It would be nice to think that they have a vague idea of what they are doing by now.