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whtever 11-24-2010 08:02 AM

124 Junior Man/Extensions Per Month @ Colgan!
 
124/month! Staffing problems, I'd say so! This is either a desired outcome of management, abusing pilots to bail out the company or a result of the worst crew planning team in commercial aviation. Either way, it shows absolutely no concern for the employee quality of life, this proves the enormous disconnect between the flight crews and management. I'm sure CAL/UAL would be interested to hear this.

Your thoughts?

Splanky 11-24-2010 08:11 AM

This unfortunately is becoming systemic for at least the regional industry. Horizon has their new staffing levels going on too.

I doubt the mainline partners would care even in the slightest. As long as they are getting their regional lift as cheap as possible they won't notice that yes, the widgets actually do have lives.

I say kick them in the knee : )

Jamers 11-24-2010 08:24 AM

124/month? That's light day..

el jefe 11-24-2010 08:27 AM

I just don't get it. Sorry to bring it up, but with 3407 blamed partially on fatigued pilots, now you guys are (excessively) extending and JM'ing, increasing pilot fatigue to the limits? Have we learned nothing?

I would love to see the public's reaction if they get wind of this.

edit: We all get junior manned and extended, but I figured that Colgan would be under more scrutiny regarding tired and overworked pilots.

USMCFLYR 11-24-2010 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by el jefe (Post 906355)
I just don't get it. Sorry to bring it up, but with 3407 blamed partially on fatigued pilots, now you guys are extending and JM'ing, increasing pilot fatigue to the limits? Have we learned nothing?

I would love to see the public's reaction if they get wind of this.

First you would have to explain to the general (laymen) public what the terms 'junior manning' and 'extensions' mean in practical terms and how it increases fatigue in the P121 environment.

USMCFLYR

Marticat 11-24-2010 09:10 AM

Enjoying have the former Director of Crew Planning/Tracking/whatever from Mesa? He was a joy over there also.

AxialFlow 11-24-2010 10:59 AM

It's nothing new to the industry, but is it really a problem if crews are accepting the JM's and extensions?

and yes, Mr. Hand is incompetent

Bottom Gun 11-24-2010 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 906363)
First you would have to explain to the general (laymen) public what the terms 'junior manning' and 'extensions' mean in practical terms and how it increases fatigue in the P121 environment.

USMCFLYR

The guy who did the PBS special on 3407 did a decent job on explaining things to the general public, maybe he should do a follow-up...

sinsilvia666 11-24-2010 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by el jefe (Post 906355)
I just don't get it. Sorry to bring it up, but with 3407 blamed partially on fatigued pilots, now you guys are (excessively) extending and JM'ing, increasing pilot fatigue to the limits? Have we learned nothing?

I would love to see the public's reaction if they get wind of this.

edit: We all get junior manned and extended, but I figured that Colgan would be under more scrutiny regarding tired and overworked pilots.


everyone at cjc knows buffalo news loves this stuff

xjsaab 11-24-2010 01:14 PM

In preparation for mesaba pilots to be displaced when our Saab's get axed. No sense hiring new pilots and furloughing them in a few months.

mking84 11-24-2010 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by el jefe (Post 906355)
I just don't get it. Sorry to bring it up, but with 3407 blamed partially on fatigued pilots, now you guys are (excessively) extending and JM'ing, increasing pilot fatigue to the limits? Have we learned nothing?

I would love to see the public's reaction if they get wind of this.

edit: We all get junior manned and extended, but I figured that Colgan would be under more scrutiny regarding tired and overworked pilots.

What reaction. Colgan is almost gone. Pretty soon the public will think they went out of business!!

PapaMike 11-24-2010 06:31 PM

If that 124 number in july is accurate, I'm really curious to see the numbers in august, sept and oct... Things are light years better in nov it seems.

Stew75 11-29-2010 03:05 PM

124 a month? That is a normal week at good ol Lakes.:eek:

pilotgolfer 11-29-2010 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Marticat (Post 906384)
Enjoying have the former Director of Crew Planning/Tracking/whatever from Mesa? He was a joy over there also.


Who is the Mesa guy? Just wondering. I don't remember who took over from Debbie Myles.

Blue Side Up 11-29-2010 09:48 PM

His first name is the answer to this question: What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs at your front door?

Fill in the blank for the last name: Your arm bone is connected to your wrist bone, your wrist bone is connected to your _____ bone.

Good luck!

BladeRunner 11-30-2010 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by whtever (Post 906331)
124/month! Staffing problems, I'd say so! This is either a desired outcome of management, abusing pilots to bail out the company or a result of the worst crew planning team in commercial aviation. Either way, it shows absolutely no concern for the employee quality of life, this proves the enormous disconnect between the flight crews and management. I'm sure CAL/UAL would be interested to hear this.

Your thoughts?

That will change when Joe Restifo takes over.

FlyJSH 11-30-2010 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by el jefe (Post 906355)
I just don't get it. Sorry to bring it up, but with 3407 blamed partially on fatigued pilots, now you guys are (excessively) extending and JM'ing, increasing pilot fatigue to the limits? Have we learned nothing?

As our illustrious leaders say, "It's legal." Remember safety is one of our highest priorities.


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 906431)
It's nothing new to the industry, but is it really a problem if crews are accepting the JM's and extensions?

It can be hard to avoid them when the remarks section of the release states, "FO so-and-so must call scheduling at destination for a schedule change."


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