Low Time Pilots
#11
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
he didnt say we need to get rid of old time pilots and replace them with low time pilots
all he said is anyone can make a mistake, which is 100% true
personally i do not feel any more qualified to fly a jet at thousands of hours in a ****ty 152 compared to anymore at 250 hours in a ****ty 152, the only thing that will make you feel more comfortable in a jet is by practice in a jet.
if you believe that you need 2000 hours of flight instructin a 152 (thats what it took my old teacher to get hired at in the 80's) before you can be good enough to work for a regional, then you prob shouldnt be flying at all
all he said is anyone can make a mistake, which is 100% true
personally i do not feel any more qualified to fly a jet at thousands of hours in a ****ty 152 compared to anymore at 250 hours in a ****ty 152, the only thing that will make you feel more comfortable in a jet is by practice in a jet.
if you believe that you need 2000 hours of flight instructin a 152 (thats what it took my old teacher to get hired at in the 80's) before you can be good enough to work for a regional, then you prob shouldnt be flying at all
And as another poster said, after a few hundred hours flying a jet I have come to realize that flying jets is less about being "good enough" and more about being "smart enough". If you have a fairly narrow knowledge base (ie lack of experience that comes from only a year or two of flying with a narrow range of experiences) then you have a significant disadvantage when it comes to being "smart enough".
#13
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From: Jet Pilot
So many time I see threads from other pilot on how low time pilot are not ready to handle some of the aircraft that regional airlines have. Accidents happen no matter what your experience level or flight time is. Today's Comair crash was flown by experienced pilot, the captain was with comair since 1999 and the first officer since 2002 according to reports. Who knows, maybe a low time first officer may have caught the error on the ground, may not, but this just shows, any one can make a mistake.
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... I have come to realize that flying jets is less about being "good enough" and more about being "smart enough". If you have a fairly narrow knowledge base (ie lack of experience that comes from only a year or two of flying with a narrow range of experiences) then you have a significant disadvantage when it comes to being "smart enough".
#15
Wow, some of you guys are just trivial for lack of a better word.
First let's address the topic, "low" or "hi" time... everyone has to be trained to the same standards per the feds. I've flown with both ends of the equation and both can be really good or really bad.
Second, there is this huge misconception that flying checks in the middle of night (no disrespect), or that being an MEI for years will prepare you to be a jet jockey more than just a regular CFI who paid for his multi...not the case, when you get thrown in that training enviroment is all you, flying a Jet is 20% skill and 80% mental, anyone that flies one knows it. Experience will help you navigate around storms better, and will help you deal with certain scenarios better, but at the end of the day it won't prepare you anymore than anyone else for a Jet....unless you've flown one already.
As far as the 250 hour wonders, I believe that MESA in all it's glory (POS contract and POS CEO), is the only carrier accepting them as they have an agreement with the "tool" factory in Farmington, NM. I do believe it takes just a bit more than a multi comm. and a few hours in a FTD.
That being said, once you reach a certain point, there is only so much you can do to prepare for flying in a 121 enviroment.
And by the way, statistically most accidents attributed to human factors were caused by experienced crews in larger carriers....someone say something about complacency?
First let's address the topic, "low" or "hi" time... everyone has to be trained to the same standards per the feds. I've flown with both ends of the equation and both can be really good or really bad.
Second, there is this huge misconception that flying checks in the middle of night (no disrespect), or that being an MEI for years will prepare you to be a jet jockey more than just a regular CFI who paid for his multi...not the case, when you get thrown in that training enviroment is all you, flying a Jet is 20% skill and 80% mental, anyone that flies one knows it. Experience will help you navigate around storms better, and will help you deal with certain scenarios better, but at the end of the day it won't prepare you anymore than anyone else for a Jet....unless you've flown one already.
As far as the 250 hour wonders, I believe that MESA in all it's glory (POS contract and POS CEO), is the only carrier accepting them as they have an agreement with the "tool" factory in Farmington, NM. I do believe it takes just a bit more than a multi comm. and a few hours in a FTD.
That being said, once you reach a certain point, there is only so much you can do to prepare for flying in a 121 enviroment.
And by the way, statistically most accidents attributed to human factors were caused by experienced crews in larger carriers....someone say something about complacency?
Experience is like age. When you're a teenager, you think you know it all. When you're an adult, you know you don't know it all, and when your aged, you know you never knew a thing. If you don't think you know more now than when you were a teen, well....it's early. I don't know what to say about that. If you think that you know as musch now about this topic as you will in another 5000 hours of 121 time, the same.
Don't get too puffed up about your mighty jet.
#16
I've seen crusty old 10,000 hour captains handle the plane as poorly as a 300 hour wonder. It's not always about how much time you have in your books- but about how much you've learned from that time. Flying a Cub around the patch for 3000 hours doesn't mean much. But flying a high performance single or twin through busy airspace with lots of actual time may be better, provided you actually took something from the experience and learned from it.
..... eh, just rambling. I've seen some pretty crappy 3000 hour pilots. You know the ones- never flew anything more complex than a 152, never got any actual time, never planned and executed a real cross country.
..... eh, just rambling. I've seen some pretty crappy 3000 hour pilots. You know the ones- never flew anything more complex than a 152, never got any actual time, never planned and executed a real cross country.
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