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Old 08-27-2006 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hatetobreakit2u
he didnt say we need to get rid of old time pilots and replace them with low time pilots
all he said is anyone can make a mistake, which is 100% true

personally i do not feel any more qualified to fly a jet at thousands of hours in a ****ty 152 compared to anymore at 250 hours in a ****ty 152, the only thing that will make you feel more comfortable in a jet is by practice in a jet.
if you believe that you need 2000 hours of flight instructin a 152 (thats what it took my old teacher to get hired at in the 80's) before you can be good enough to work for a regional, then you prob shouldnt be flying at all
And I didn't say that thousands of hours in a 152 makes any one qualified to do anything more than fly a 152. The point is that low-time guys (I consider myself to be a low time guy, having been hired at a 121 carrier with just shy of 1000 hours) are no more or less likely to make or catch a mistake than a guy with a bazillion hours in the jet. As I said in my original post: stupid mistakes can and do happen to anyone. But I am willing to bet a guy who has been around a while would be less baffled about how to configure the bleeds or running a checklist and more able to catch a simple error than a guy with wet ink on his commercial certificate.

And as another poster said, after a few hundred hours flying a jet I have come to realize that flying jets is less about being "good enough" and more about being "smart enough". If you have a fairly narrow knowledge base (ie lack of experience that comes from only a year or two of flying with a narrow range of experiences) then you have a significant disadvantage when it comes to being "smart enough".
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Old 08-28-2006 | 06:45 AM
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Low time boy put the same post on Flightinfo and got shot down cold. So now he's here.
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Old 08-28-2006 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rpatte1637
So many time I see threads from other pilot on how low time pilot are not ready to handle some of the aircraft that regional airlines have. Accidents happen no matter what your experience level or flight time is. Today's Comair crash was flown by experienced pilot, the captain was with comair since 1999 and the first officer since 2002 according to reports. Who knows, maybe a low time first officer may have caught the error on the ground, may not, but this just shows, any one can make a mistake.
Regardless of how much time you have in your logbooks, work hard to prevent becoming complacent.
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Old 08-28-2006 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

... I have come to realize that flying jets is less about being "good enough" and more about being "smart enough". If you have a fairly narrow knowledge base (ie lack of experience that comes from only a year or two of flying with a narrow range of experiences) then you have a significant disadvantage when it comes to being "smart enough".
Good for you! You are smarter than you give yourself credit for realizing that.
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Old 02-08-2007 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sanchez
Wow, some of you guys are just trivial for lack of a better word.

First let's address the topic, "low" or "hi" time... everyone has to be trained to the same standards per the feds. I've flown with both ends of the equation and both can be really good or really bad.

Second, there is this huge misconception that flying checks in the middle of night (no disrespect), or that being an MEI for years will prepare you to be a jet jockey more than just a regular CFI who paid for his multi...not the case, when you get thrown in that training enviroment is all you, flying a Jet is 20% skill and 80% mental, anyone that flies one knows it. Experience will help you navigate around storms better, and will help you deal with certain scenarios better, but at the end of the day it won't prepare you anymore than anyone else for a Jet....unless you've flown one already.

As far as the 250 hour wonders, I believe that MESA in all it's glory (POS contract and POS CEO), is the only carrier accepting them as they have an agreement with the "tool" factory in Farmington, NM. I do believe it takes just a bit more than a multi comm. and a few hours in a FTD.

That being said, once you reach a certain point, there is only so much you can do to prepare for flying in a 121 enviroment.

And by the way, statistically most accidents attributed to human factors were caused by experienced crews in larger carriers....someone say something about complacency?
With all due respect, don't get too puffed up about your almighty jet. The only difference between a jet and a T-prop is that you have to plan ahead a bit more and that it's quieter. The frustration that a regional captain has with low time (1000 or less depending on the quality of the time) FO's is that they still are having trouble finding an airport for a visual approach, doesn't know what ATC is telling them to do because they have never heard that phrase before, or can't keep up when going into LAX, ORD. JFK, or others. They can be a great stick, but still have no clue as to where they are going or why. Or, they can have a good grasp on where they are going, but not have the insight into aerodynamics to make the airplane do what they want it to.

Experience is like age. When you're a teenager, you think you know it all. When you're an adult, you know you don't know it all, and when your aged, you know you never knew a thing. If you don't think you know more now than when you were a teen, well....it's early. I don't know what to say about that. If you think that you know as musch now about this topic as you will in another 5000 hours of 121 time, the same.

Don't get too puffed up about your mighty jet.
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Old 02-08-2007 | 06:16 AM
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I've seen crusty old 10,000 hour captains handle the plane as poorly as a 300 hour wonder. It's not always about how much time you have in your books- but about how much you've learned from that time. Flying a Cub around the patch for 3000 hours doesn't mean much. But flying a high performance single or twin through busy airspace with lots of actual time may be better, provided you actually took something from the experience and learned from it.


..... eh, just rambling. I've seen some pretty crappy 3000 hour pilots. You know the ones- never flew anything more complex than a 152, never got any actual time, never planned and executed a real cross country.
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