base trading how does it work are your airlin
01-20-2011, 07:09 PM
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base trading how does it work are your airlin
just wanting to know how some other airlines work with base trading or basically just moving bases?
At RAH if we do not have any vacancies then the only way to change a base is via a base trade which gets posted for all the company to see and then if someone senior to you in your current base, wants to take your position in the swap then they can, and you get to stay where you are at, and hope to find someone else to try and trade with again.
so how does it work where you are at?
At RAH if we do not have any vacancies then the only way to change a base is via a base trade which gets posted for all the company to see and then if someone senior to you in your current base, wants to take your position in the swap then they can, and you get to stay where you are at, and hope to find someone else to try and trade with again.
so how does it work where you are at?
01-20-2011, 07:43 PM
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Posts: 936
Originally Posted by atr42flyer
just wanting to know how some other airlines work with base trading or basically just moving bases?
At RAH if we do not have any vacancies then the only way to change a base is via a base trade which gets posted for all the company to see and then if someone senior to you in your current base, wants to take your position in the swap then they can, and you get to stay where you are at, and hope to find someone else to try and trade with again.
so how does it work where you are at?
At RAH if we do not have any vacancies then the only way to change a base is via a base trade which gets posted for all the company to see and then if someone senior to you in your current base, wants to take your position in the swap then they can, and you get to stay where you are at, and hope to find someone else to try and trade with again.
so how does it work where you are at?
01-20-2011, 08:43 PM
#3
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,588
At Eagle we get something like this popping up every month or two:
Everyone can then update their standing bid ballot for whatever position they want to transfer to and the company closes the bidding on 30jan11 and processes the requests.
Where it says "we will not backfill the first 6 nfe" means that if 6 LGA FO ERJ pilots bid for something else then the company wont replace those pilots. If 7 LGA FO ERJ pilots leave, then 1 new pilot will be awarded a slot.
If the company doesnt get enough people bidding for ORD FO CRJ then they cant force anyone into that position, they will most likely offer it to the newhire classes.
We can only change equipment when we are transferring to a higher payscale (Prop FO to Jet FO, ERJ CA to CRJ CA). If you are ORD ERJ FO you can transfer to DFW ERJ FO whenever a vacancy opens up since it would be the same equipment.
There is also a system completely separate from the above that is run by ALPA and allows two pilots to swap bases if there arent any posted vacancies.
A vacancy bid is open eff <14 jan 2011
.
*vacancies* *enter training no later than*
<09 ord ca crj <01 oct 11
<42 ord fo crj <01 oct 11
<06 lga ca crj <01 oct 11
<18 lga fo crj <01 oct 11
<16 dfw fo emj <01 oct 11
<09 jfk ca emj <01 oct 11
<05 jfk fo emj <01 oct 11
<05 mia ca emj <01 oct 11
<26 mia fo emj <01 oct 11
<05 lga ca emj <01 oct 11
<17 ord fo emj <01 oct 11
<02 dfw ca atr <01 oct 11
we will not backfill the first 06 nfe.
This bid will close at 2300ct on 30jan11 and is scheduled
to be run on 31jan11. A preliminary award may follow.
.
*vacancies* *enter training no later than*
<09 ord ca crj <01 oct 11
<42 ord fo crj <01 oct 11
<06 lga ca crj <01 oct 11
<18 lga fo crj <01 oct 11
<16 dfw fo emj <01 oct 11
<09 jfk ca emj <01 oct 11
<05 jfk fo emj <01 oct 11
<05 mia ca emj <01 oct 11
<26 mia fo emj <01 oct 11
<05 lga ca emj <01 oct 11
<17 ord fo emj <01 oct 11
<02 dfw ca atr <01 oct 11
we will not backfill the first 06 nfe.
This bid will close at 2300ct on 30jan11 and is scheduled
to be run on 31jan11. A preliminary award may follow.
Where it says "we will not backfill the first 6 nfe" means that if 6 LGA FO ERJ pilots bid for something else then the company wont replace those pilots. If 7 LGA FO ERJ pilots leave, then 1 new pilot will be awarded a slot.
If the company doesnt get enough people bidding for ORD FO CRJ then they cant force anyone into that position, they will most likely offer it to the newhire classes.
We can only change equipment when we are transferring to a higher payscale (Prop FO to Jet FO, ERJ CA to CRJ CA). If you are ORD ERJ FO you can transfer to DFW ERJ FO whenever a vacancy opens up since it would be the same equipment.
There is also a system completely separate from the above that is run by ALPA and allows two pilots to swap bases if there arent any posted vacancies.
01-21-2011, 12:34 PM
#4
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Holding down the Crew Room recliner
Posts: 17
XJT used to be like you mentioned...
1. find someone to trade with.
2. post the trade intentions for 30 days
3. if someone senior "objects" they take the junior persons place on the trade (without resetting the 30 days).
4. At the end of the 30 days, trade is completed and you move bases in the following bid period.
NOW, however, it is somewhat better...
1. Send an e-mail to planning with your base trade request (name, current base, desired base, etc.) [This is COMPLETELY independent of the perm bid.]
2. On the 14th (i think....) of every month, planning will post a "spreadsheet" of everyone that submitted requests.
3. If mutual trades are requested (i.e. someone wants IAH-ORD and someone wants ORD-IAH) then all trades are granted in seniority order.
Example:
IAH-ORD (#200 Joe Smoe, # 204 Julie Smoe)
ORD-IAH (#122 Jack Smack, #466 Sue Blue, #477 John Doe)
IAH-EWR (#54 Billy Joe)
EWR-IAH (None)
In this example both IAH-ORD's will get their trade, and Jack and Sue will get ORD-IAH... John and Billy will have to try again next month. All done only by sending a simple e-mail to planning.
Make sense?
This prevents you from having to do a lot of leg work hunting down someone to trade with and also prevents you from doing all of the work just to have someone senior to you too lazy to do the work "stealing it" from you on the last day...
1. find someone to trade with.
2. post the trade intentions for 30 days
3. if someone senior "objects" they take the junior persons place on the trade (without resetting the 30 days).
4. At the end of the 30 days, trade is completed and you move bases in the following bid period.
NOW, however, it is somewhat better...
1. Send an e-mail to planning with your base trade request (name, current base, desired base, etc.) [This is COMPLETELY independent of the perm bid.]
2. On the 14th (i think....) of every month, planning will post a "spreadsheet" of everyone that submitted requests.
3. If mutual trades are requested (i.e. someone wants IAH-ORD and someone wants ORD-IAH) then all trades are granted in seniority order.
Example:
IAH-ORD (#200 Joe Smoe, # 204 Julie Smoe)
ORD-IAH (#122 Jack Smack, #466 Sue Blue, #477 John Doe)
IAH-EWR (#54 Billy Joe)
EWR-IAH (None)
In this example both IAH-ORD's will get their trade, and Jack and Sue will get ORD-IAH... John and Billy will have to try again next month. All done only by sending a simple e-mail to planning.
Make sense?
This prevents you from having to do a lot of leg work hunting down someone to trade with and also prevents you from doing all of the work just to have someone senior to you too lazy to do the work "stealing it" from you on the last day...
01-30-2011, 06:10 AM
#6
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,253
SKW used to have an informal system: find a buddy to trade with, call HQ for approval, and it was done.
But that stopped because some moron complained that domicile slots were being awarded out of seniority. They were not actual openings in domicile, they were swaps...to me it is apparent that there's a difference. They probably could have implemented a formal system to ensure that the two most senior folks in each domicile got awarded first.
But that stopped because some moron complained that domicile slots were being awarded out of seniority. They were not actual openings in domicile, they were swaps...to me it is apparent that there's a difference. They probably could have implemented a formal system to ensure that the two most senior folks in each domicile got awarded first.
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