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jayray2 02-01-2011 08:23 AM
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 939851)
ALPA needs to go away.
Delta had the same opportunity that United is trying to capitalize on right now. Why the diference of priorities? A huge blown opportunity by Delta in my estimation. I don't get all the Delta people taking out of context sound clips from Anderson trying to show that Delta will just give you the flying back. It is not going to happen. Putting up a fight would have been a much better strategy than sitting around and waiting to see if somehow the flying will just magically reappear. With attitudes like this you will never get the flying back. With high oil prices, increased regional domestic flying like this and any other of a million different scenarios I would not be surprised to see furloughs in the near future. Totally unexpected, yes, but look at what happened at United. Then maybe the troops will get fired up at Delta about scope.

johnso29 02-01-2011 08:51 AM
Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 940069)
Delta had the same opportunity that United is trying to capitalize on right now. Why the diference of priorities? A huge blown opportunity by Delta in my estimation. I don't get all the Delta people taking out of context sound clips from Anderson trying to show that Delta will just give you the flying back. It is not going to happen. Putting up a fight would have been a much better strategy than sitting around and waiting to see if somehow the flying will just magically reappear. With attitudes like this you will never get the flying back. With high oil prices, increased regional domestic flying like this and any other of a million different scenarios I would not be surprised to see furloughs in the near future. Totally unexpected, yes, but look at what happened at United. Then maybe the troops will get fired up at Delta about scope.
United parked 94 737's to right size for their merger with CAL. Regional feed is decreasing dramatically. Fifty seaters are being parked at a rapid rate, & Mainline is taking more airplanes. We didn't furlough in 2008/2009, so I'm not sure where your logic coming from since there are LESS RJ's now then there were then.

johnso29 02-01-2011 09:44 AM
Originally Posted by oldcarpilot (Post 939987)
The crj-700s are not 70 seats any more. So if the DAL agreement was a limit on airplanes with seats, then all those don't fall into the limit anymore.
Originally Posted by Lone Palm (Post 940005)
Good point, how many seats do all the 700's that are being converted to first class have??
Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 940006)
I believe the Delta scope has one category that includes all DCI aircraft with 51-70 seats. As such, the 65-seat CRJ700s have not moved to a new category.
Boomer is correct. A large RJ is defined as 51-76 seats with a MATOW of up to 86,000 LBS. So if it's configured to 66 seats it still counts towards the 255. Since we already have 153 76 seaters operating for DCI that allows for only 102 51-70 seat RJs. We are close to that limit with the latest Skywest/RAH deals.

jayray2 02-01-2011 11:09 AM
Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 940097)
United parked 94 737's to right size for their merger with CAL. Regional feed is decreasing dramatically. Fifty seaters are being parked at a rapid rate, & Mainline is taking more airplanes. We didn't furlough in 2008/2009, so I'm not sure where your logic coming from since there are LESS RJ's now then there were then.
Once again your focus is in the wrong place. You should be asking yourself how did we as a pilot group miss the opportunity to take this flying back. These eight aircraft could have been 100 more people under you, which means more job security and faster upgrades. Instead you once again focus on old 50 seaters going away which were going to go away no matter what. The date they would be going away was known the day they were bought and you are using this to tell yourself everything will be alright? How about some, or any tightening of scope. Take away 1 big RJ, do anything to get the ball moving in the right direction and show your seriousness in at least trying to tighten scope. That was my point, the missed opportunity.

johnso29 02-01-2011 11:14 AM
Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 940195)
Once again your focus is in the wrong place. You should be asking yourself how did we as a pilot group miss the opportunity to take this flying back. These eight aircraft could have been 100 more people under you, which means more job security and faster upgrades. Instead you once again focus on old 50 seaters going away which were going to go away no matter what. The date they would be going away was known the day they were bought and you are using this to tell yourself everything will be alright? How about some, or any tightening of scope. Take away 1 big RJ, do anything to get the ball moving in the right direction and show your seriousness in at least trying to tighten scope. That was my point, the missed opportunity.
What good does looking back on a missed opportunity do? Nothing. We can only move forward.


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