BoilerUP

There is nobody that lives in Lexington with the name Curt Briggs (the claimed 'author' of this manifesto) per the Lexington White Pages, and there is only one Curtis Briggs in the FAA database with an ATP, and he has types in the A300/310, B727 & B737...not the 757, 767, 777, DC-8, DC-9 or L-1011.

Total and complete fabricated flamebait from somebody who thinks they know what they are talking about. Move along, nothing to see here.

Flaps50

I'd be curious to see how many NASA or ASAP reports have been filed with the FAA about this type of thing happening with other operators to see if there is a trend with certain operations. The reason I say this is because I heard that a Pinnacle Airlines CRJ did the exact same thing taking off from LSE Wisconsin a year ago from the short GA runway and nearly didn't make it. I guess the crew reported themselves using the ASAP program or something like that. It seams to me that we may be experiencing a rash of complacency issues these days in flying, and I'm wondering if it may be caused by a lack of assertiveness and experience which prevents questioning the other pilot. I'm not saying that this case was caused by inexperience, but if we are trending the question is why?

Experience makes the hair stand up on the back of the neck when things maybe don't seem right.

N6724G

I am not an airline pilot, but I am just curious why you guys rag on each other so much. Calling each other POS. I mena whats that about? I just come on these board sto get info. No one knows everything. Its al speculation. SO, this writer might be wring but what makes the guy disputing it an expert? Both are just opinions.

FlyerJosh

N6724G,

Not to sound like a butthead, but show me where I claim to be an expert. I won't ever go so far as to say that I'm a subject matter expert on accident investigation, however I will say that I probably have a bit more insight than Mr. "I have type ratings in numerous heavy jets... are you impressed?".

I find it hard to believe that the writer of the initial post has time in the CRJ given his extensive qualifications. There just aren't that many captains that have so much experience in heavy jets and airline line-flying experience in the CRJ. Why? Simply because the CRJ is a regional aircraft. It wasn't around when this "so called expert" (as he put it) was building hours to be a heavy jet captain.

I won't say that I'm an expert, but I can say that certainly have enough experience in the CRJ to have some educated opinions. (Flight experience as both FO and CA during over 4.5 years and more than 4000 hrs of contract and line flying for a 121 carrier under Delta Connection, United Express, and Independence Air colors in the CRJ, as well as several delivery acceptance flight tests.)

Also show me where in this thread we call the writer of the copied email a POS. (Note that this letter was not written by the person who started this thread... it's an email that has been circulating). Folks have called the letter a POS, which in my opinion it is.

There is absolutely no need to provide graphic descriptions of how passengers died or speculation as to the result of the accident. That should be left for the professionally trained investigators. There are so many different facets to an investigation, many beyond the normal scope of the average line pilot.

IMHO, this original text of the reposted letter serves no purpose other than to attract the attention of media and lawyers in retaining this individual as a well-paid consultant. I provided my insight to help debunk some bad information as I saw it, in hopes of keeping this letter from being passed on and prevent some additional speculation.

~Josh

IXLR8

Any news on the FO?...how is he doing?

Gordon C

He's improving, it appears:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2394768&page=1

GauleyPilot

"I find it hard to believe that the writer of the initial post has time in the CRJ given his extensive qualifications. There just aren't that many captains that have so much experience in heavy jets and airline line-flying experience in the CRJ. Why? Simply because the CRJ is a regional aircraft. It wasn't around when this "so called expert" (as he put it) was building hours to be a heavy jet captain."




Well Said Josh.

Fedex999999

I have gotten that first post as an email from half a dozen guys now. They pass it on like it is real news, like what the guy says is all true. Whatever the author intended, apparently he is getting attention. None of us have the right to make comments like that- espcially when he is WRONG about some of his "facts."

GauleyPilot

I get the impression he knows just enough, but exposes his lack of knowlege when pressed by a pilot.

Kind of like the guy who told me that he "never flew the turbine powered King Airs any."

flynavyj

sounds like a queen air