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Group W Bench 03-30-2011 07:37 AM

EAS cuts could ground rural communities
 
Essential Air Service cuts could ground rural communities - USATODAY.com

rickair7777 03-30-2011 07:49 AM

The common scenario of an entire ground ops team plus 8 full-time TSA's standing around all day to handle three (3) pax ovre the course of the day really is pushing the envelope of fraud, waste, and abuse.

Maybe they don't need to cut it entirely, but they should certainly weed out those destinations which have negligible traffic.

Terrain Inop 03-30-2011 08:04 AM

My Vote: Dump IYK and IPL

EWRflyr 03-30-2011 08:11 AM

My opinion is to dump all EAS, except places in Alaska. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Palin on something.

captain152 03-30-2011 08:23 AM

Seeing as how I fly for an airline that does several of these routes ... I can say that some of them are worth it, while others' aren't. I can't count the number of times I've flown to VCT, PQI, PKB, AOO, SHD, etc. with 2-3 pax on just one leg. Pretty sure I've done it w/o any pax a number of times as well. Most of these cities are a solid 2 hr drive (there are some exceptions to this of course) from any city with scheduled air service .. so it would be a pain to make that drive when you need to go somewhere ... but at the same time how often do people that live there actually have to travel??

Andrew_VT 03-30-2011 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 972848)
My opinion is to dump all EAS, except places in Alaska. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Palin on something.

Why should we exempt Alaska? I know that they actually need EAS more than the rest of the states because they don't have roads to a lot of these places, but make the state pay for it.

Alaska as a state is the third biggest welfare queen in the country, they get $1.84 in federal spending per dollar of federal taxes. Plus they have their own oil money. (The Tax Foundation - Federal Spending Received Per Dollar of Taxes Paid by State, 2005)

Not to thread hijack but when I looked up this list I couldn't help but notice that the top 10 federal 'welfare' states are all red states... kinda ironic.

moflyer 03-30-2011 01:59 PM

IYK does not get the EAS subsidy.

lolwut 03-30-2011 02:07 PM

I think EAS should stick around, but frequency, aircraft size, and cities should be cut.

Provide a subsidy that allows for twice daily service in something the size of a Caravan. The airline wants to run something bigger, they're going to have to pay for the difference themselves. If these routes usually only have 2-3 pax, the government shouldn't be subsidizing an aircraft that seats many times that amount.

Making a distance rule. No EAS to any airport which is within 2 hours driving distance from an airport served by scheduled pax flights.


Other than that, for some airports, EAS is just that... essential, and we shouldn't cut it entirely.

saab2000 03-30-2011 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 972833)
The common scenario of an entire ground ops team plus 8 full-time TSA's standing around all day to handle three (3) pax ovre the course of the day really is pushing the envelope of fraud, waste, and abuse.

Maybe they don't need to cut it entirely, but they should certainly weed out those destinations which have negligible traffic.

EAS needs to go, if not in its entirety, then mostly.

I agree with your assessment of the situation. I have flown in and out of Greenville, MS a few years ago. There were two scheduled flights per day for a total of 62 seats per day. For this there was an operational tower and a TSA crew, in addition to whatever it costs to keep the airport open.

EAS must go unless it is truly 'Essential'. It almost never is.

TonyWilliams 03-30-2011 02:48 PM

This EAS stuff is political trading points. Doubtful it will go away. Disguised as something else, maybe. But there's too many dollars / votes being poured into some of the micro communities that any politician can say, "Look what I got fer ya... vote for me!".

saab2000 03-30-2011 02:50 PM

Also, the folks who live in EAS places choose to do so, generally because they like the solitude and isolation.

We have an Interstate Highway System. We already subsidize roads.

I am the last person in the US who thinks the political right is my way, but EAS is just waste of money which benefits a few hundred to a (maximum) few thousand passengers nationwide and a few wealthy airline owners who have pilots building time for very, very bad pay and in exchange get very wealthy by operating shady companies. We all know of what I speak.

Washout 03-30-2011 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 972857)
Seeing as how I fly for an airline that does several of these routes ... I can say that some of them are worth it, while others' aren't. I can't count the number of times I've flown to VCT, PQI, PKB, AOO, SHD, etc. with 2-3 pax on just one leg. Pretty sure I've done it w/o any pax a number of times as well. Most of these cities are a solid 2 hr drive (there are some exceptions to this of course) from any city with scheduled air service .. so it would be a pain to make that drive when you need to go somewhere ... but at the same time how often do people that live there actually have to travel??

Two hours is nothing. If people choose to live in BFE then why should we subsidize the 3 people in that community who need to go somewhere. It's not as though we are constantly airlifting medical patients. Having a strip for emergencies is one thing but subsidizing a flight so people can connect in LAX instead of making the drive is ridiculous.

Terrain Inop 03-30-2011 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by moflyer (Post 973054)
IYK does not get the EAS subsidy.

don't care, it should still go.

Paid2fly 03-30-2011 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by Terrain Inop (Post 973251)
don't care, it should still go.










You don't like IYK?

Nevets 04-01-2011 03:14 PM

Federal EAS should go. If a state, county, or city wants to subsidize it, nothing stops them from doing it.


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