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Nevets 04-03-2011 08:49 PM



Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 975117)
Doesn't matter. It's all Skywest Inc.

That's true Nevets. My comment wasn't hate directed at Xjet or ASA. I like both those companies and wish them the best. I just wanted to counter all the pro-union people who want to see Skywest do poorly. The Skywest division probably made a profit last quarter.

I'd much rather work for a non-union company. I was with Skywest and loved it. Now that i'm with CAL, I have an even larger appreciation for how much better it is to work for a non-union carrier.
The Gods must just like Skywest airlines better since what you quoted as being the reason ASA/XJT were hit harder was due to weather. Skyerst would have fared the same if they had the bases ASA/XJT have.

Don't think I didn't notice how Skywest fared poorly on their pro-rate flying. That must mean that ASA/XJT are better since the cost of jet fuel went up.

But then again, another reason was the increased training crew cost for the additional summer block hours that ASA/XJT is getting. I guess that means that Unical and DAL must know ASA/XJT is better.

None of the factors given had anything to do with union labor! jetblue, virgin America, allegiant are all hiring by the way.

MatchPoint 04-04-2011 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 975374)
Don't think I didn't notice how Skywest fared poorly on their pro-rate flying. That must mean that ASA/XJT are better since the cost of jet fuel went up.

But then again, another reason was the increased training crew cost for the additional summer block hours that ASA/XJT is getting. I guess that means that Unical and DAL must know ASA/XJT is better.

The pro-rate flying's not going so well with high fuel cost, what a shocker, but it was more of a short term venture until block hours increased anyways. Regardless SKW is flying record block hours for UAL/DAL and we are scheduled to receive many more a/c in the near future plus the start-up of our Alaska flying. We are so understaffed it's not even funny, it's pathetic how poorly Mgmt has handled this and they've started beating us with a stick when we refuse to help make up for their shortsightedness.

This “my airline is better than yours” is high school Bullsh--.

One List, One Union, One Airline!

paintyourjet 04-05-2011 02:33 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 975167)
That's true Nevets. My comment wasn't hate directed at Xjet or ASA. I like both those companies and wish them the best. I just wanted to counter all the pro-union people who want to see Skywest do poorly. The Skywest division probably made a profit last quarter.

I'd much rather work for a non-union company. I was with Skywest and loved it. Now that i'm with CAL, I have an even larger appreciation for how much better it is to work for a non-union carrier.

WOW!!! Well just wait a few more years and ya might have a change of heart......I would bet money that if is wasn't for you union, all those ERJs would turn into CRJ-900s overnight and you might be wishing you were union.

Fishfreighter 04-05-2011 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 975758)
Regardless SKW is flying record block hours for UAL/DAL and we are scheduled to receive many more a/c in the near future plus the start-up of our Alaska flying.

YOUR Alaska flying? You're referring to the flying you'll be doing in AAG jets on AAG routes under AAG operational control? You mean the flying jobs you TOOK from Union Horizon pilots?

That's like Republic pilots talking about THEIR Midwest Express flying. With that attitude its no wonder SKW pilots are unwelcome on QX jumpseats.

saxman66 04-05-2011 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Fishfreighter (Post 975982)
YOUR Alaska flying? You're referring to the flying you'll be doing in AAG jets on AAG routes under AAG operational control? You mean the flying jobs you TOOK from Union Horizon pilots?

That's like Republic pilots talking about THEIR Midwest Express flying. With that attitude its no wonder SKW pilots are unwelcome on QX jumpseats.

Skywest pilots aren't allowed in QX jumpseats? How about ASA pilots? Because the pilots have total control over what planes and flying they take...:rolleyes:

duvie 04-05-2011 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by saxman66 (Post 976165)
Skywest pilots aren't allowed in QX jumpseats? How about ASA pilots? Because the pilots have total control over what planes and flying they take...:rolleyes:

He said unwelcome, not "not allowed."

This is capitalism, not the boyscouts. SkyWest offers a comparable product at a lower price. And as most know, its not that SkyWest is cheap, its that Horizon is expensive. I'd love Horizon's pay scales and 401k matching, but then I'd be out of a job. I really don't mean to be snide, its just the truth about a contract industry.

clearprop 04-05-2011 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 976180)
He said unwelcome, not "not allowed."

This is capitalism, not the boyscouts. SkyWest offers a comparable product at a lower price. And as most know, its not that SkyWest is cheap, its that Horizon is expensive. I'd love Horizon's pay scales and 401k matching, but then I'd be out of a job. I really don't mean to be snide, its just the truth about a contract industry.

Duvie hit the nail on the head. This is the dynamic of contract flying. Good, bad or indifferent...

MatchPoint 04-05-2011 04:06 PM

Pretty sure SKW signed a contract with AAG which means until that contract is voided it belongs to SKW. How AAG plans to utilize SKW is completely up to them. We pilots have no control, period. It's sad what has happened to Horizon or for that matter Frontier, Midwest, ATA, Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff, etc. but that's not just this industry but every industry. Someday i know the tide will turn on SKW and blaming another pilot group is just ridiculous.

As for the Union vs. Non-Union poke, that's just childish. I'm pro union and a very big advocate for One List / One Union with XJT/ASA but every time a non-union pilot reads postings like the one above they move further away from joining the cause. It's counterproductive and petty.

Fishfreighter 04-05-2011 04:59 PM

The contract may be yours, but the jobs you're taking are Horizon's. Just exactly like the jobs Republic pilots took from Midwest Express. Duvie, just remember one thing while you enjoying SKW pay...it may be highest you ever get.

ExperimentalAB 04-05-2011 05:40 PM

MatchPoint. Don't ever change your Avatar. Thanks.


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