ATR Tailstand ???
05-10-2011 | 05:41 AM
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While on the subject of the ATR, is it me or do they guys flying these things taxi like it's the indy 500? Maybe it just seems fast but I think that if I were to taxi my C-172 as fast as my last ATR ride, I would be airborne. Not a dig at the pilots just wondering the why part.
05-10-2011 | 05:57 AM
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As a former ATR driver, the ATR wants to taxi fast. On the six bladed variety especially. When the props are unfeathered, you rarely ever have to add power to taxi, it just wants to go, all the time. So that is why. Otherwise it would be brake riding city all day. That was my experience.
05-10-2011 | 11:24 AM
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Just my opinion, but almost all regional aircraft I see are always taxiing at quite a sporty pace. Now, before you all jump on me...
** HERE IS MY DISCLAIMER!!!*** I do realize I work for AA and we specialize in safe taxiing..
... however, if you watch regional-size aircraft and compare them with bigger aircraft, the smaller ones tend to taxi a lot faster. Must have something to do with the multi leg days and wanting to get them over with. When I was at ACA and we had 7 leg days, we taxiied a lot faster than I liked just because we wanted to wrap it up.
It's also easier to maneuver a smaller aircraft than a large one... and don't forget about perspective - when you're sitting a lot lower to the ground, going slow feels REAL slow.
A notable exception to this rule is obviously SWA... and, well, their contract speaks for themselves. They aren't paid by the hour like the rest of us - and they are all part of a winning team, again unlike the rest of us.
But as a general rule - the regional guys taxi faster than the rest. It's just the way it is.
Funny side note - one time we had just landed at DFW and were northbound on Kilo... an ATR was beside us on Lima and just blew us away, we were doing a respectable (and shocking for AA!) 15kts... the CA and I were like, holy cow, can you say future SWA pilots? then DFW Ground got on the horn and told them, "Eagle XXXX, please respect AIM-suggested taxi speeds.." priceless!
** HERE IS MY DISCLAIMER!!!*** I do realize I work for AA and we specialize in safe taxiing..
... however, if you watch regional-size aircraft and compare them with bigger aircraft, the smaller ones tend to taxi a lot faster. Must have something to do with the multi leg days and wanting to get them over with. When I was at ACA and we had 7 leg days, we taxiied a lot faster than I liked just because we wanted to wrap it up.It's also easier to maneuver a smaller aircraft than a large one... and don't forget about perspective - when you're sitting a lot lower to the ground, going slow feels REAL slow.
A notable exception to this rule is obviously SWA... and, well, their contract speaks for themselves. They aren't paid by the hour like the rest of us - and they are all part of a winning team, again unlike the rest of us.
But as a general rule - the regional guys taxi faster than the rest. It's just the way it is.
Funny side note - one time we had just landed at DFW and were northbound on Kilo... an ATR was beside us on Lima and just blew us away, we were doing a respectable (and shocking for AA!) 15kts... the CA and I were like, holy cow, can you say future SWA pilots? then DFW Ground got on the horn and told them, "Eagle XXXX, please respect AIM-suggested taxi speeds.." priceless!
05-10-2011 | 11:43 AM
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Just my opinion, but almost all regional aircraft I see are always taxiing at quite a sporty pace. Now, before you all jump on me...
** HERE IS MY DISCLAIMER!!!*** I do realize I work for AA and we specialize in safe taxiing..... however, if you watch regional-size aircraft and compare them with bigger aircraft, the smaller ones tend to taxi a lot faster. Must have something to do with the multi leg days and wanting to get them over with. When I was at ACA and we had 7 leg days, we taxiied a lot faster than I liked just because we wanted to wrap it up.
It's also easier to maneuver a smaller aircraft than a large one... and don't forget about perspective - when you're sitting a lot lower to the ground, going slow feels REAL slow.
A notable exception to this rule is obviously SWA... and, well, their contract speaks for themselves. They aren't paid by the hour like the rest of us - and they are all part of a winning team, again unlike the rest of us.
But as a general rule - the regional guys taxi faster than the rest. It's just the way it is.
Funny side note - one time we had just landed at DFW and were northbound on Kilo... an ATR was beside us on Lima and just blew us away, we were doing a respectable (and shocking for AA!) 15kts... the CA and I were like, holy cow, can you say future SWA pilots? then DFW Ground got on the horn and told them, "Eagle XXXX, please respect AIM-suggested taxi speeds.." priceless!
** HERE IS MY DISCLAIMER!!!*** I do realize I work for AA and we specialize in safe taxiing..
... however, if you watch regional-size aircraft and compare them with bigger aircraft, the smaller ones tend to taxi a lot faster. Must have something to do with the multi leg days and wanting to get them over with. When I was at ACA and we had 7 leg days, we taxiied a lot faster than I liked just because we wanted to wrap it up.It's also easier to maneuver a smaller aircraft than a large one... and don't forget about perspective - when you're sitting a lot lower to the ground, going slow feels REAL slow.
A notable exception to this rule is obviously SWA... and, well, their contract speaks for themselves. They aren't paid by the hour like the rest of us - and they are all part of a winning team, again unlike the rest of us.
But as a general rule - the regional guys taxi faster than the rest. It's just the way it is.
Funny side note - one time we had just landed at DFW and were northbound on Kilo... an ATR was beside us on Lima and just blew us away, we were doing a respectable (and shocking for AA!) 15kts... the CA and I were like, holy cow, can you say future SWA pilots? then DFW Ground got on the horn and told them, "Eagle XXXX, please respect AIM-suggested taxi speeds.." priceless!
I probably get razzed by my peers behind my back for taxiing slowly, but I'm paid by the flight hour, and safety and job security are more important to me than impatience. But that's just me.
05-11-2011 | 07:43 AM
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As lavMan pointed out the ATR doesn't take a lot of power to hustle. It's easy to ride the brakes the entire taxi, especially with a respectable tailwind.
The tail stand is just that, a tail stand. The SAAB had one too. It is supposed to be removed by the ramp crew prior to departure and show it to BOTH crew members but there have been incidents of some outstations having two tail stands and showing one of them to the crew while the other is still attached to the aircraft. When I was on the airplane I would make a mental note of the color of the tail stand since stations were know to have multiples stands in different colors.
The tail stand is just that, a tail stand. The SAAB had one too. It is supposed to be removed by the ramp crew prior to departure and show it to BOTH crew members but there have been incidents of some outstations having two tail stands and showing one of them to the crew while the other is still attached to the aircraft. When I was on the airplane I would make a mental note of the color of the tail stand since stations were know to have multiples stands in different colors.
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