SJS, look it up, see what you can find.

My friend, do you really think I would care if I was not a pilot?

Sorry for calling you a biotch. Maby your not. :D

stanrhintx :

I think you will find in a few short years that MESA management takes advantage of their employees. Other companies and industries do too but MESA is perhaps more consitant and overt.

It is a shame that your particular company feeds off the uninformed pilots with big dreams to keep their machine oiled.

Not everything is roses at my company too... this entire industry is upside down. But it will be a very long road back..made only rougher by new, uniformed pilots willing to work for slave drivers. I think this is one price of ignorance. It's hard to lay real blame on them, but it does not make it any less frustrating either.

Finally, I know how the carrot just keeps getting dangled in front, out of reach. And with a little senority, moving gets harder and harder. So my hope,stanrhintx , is when you do make an informed decision about your future, you choose the side of your fellow pilots and tell JO to stick it.

For a short time (about one semester) my best friend was with MAPD in arizona, via ASU. He left because it sucked out loud. He didn't like the way the instructors or staff treated him. He once had a lesson cancelled because the instructor claimed he wasn't "clean shaven". On top of that, he found out how Mesa treated their pilots and wanted no part of it. He tells me that it's second rate instruction from total dumbasses, washed down with lots of company koolaid.

This is 100% hearsay, but my friend say that at some point he heard that MAPD graduates could not be assigned to the Dash-8 because they don't have the stick n' rudder skills to handle the Dash single engine. Any truth to this??

My friend is now at UND extended campus and is very happy. He's also changed his path and is looking to be career corporate/fractional.

Word is that one of the MAPD locations sucks A$$. It could be the ASU program. Farmington is said to be better. As far as the DAsh8 thing it's total BS, they go into all the aircraft types. The Dash is said to be the hardest to learn in the MESA fleet.

Originally, MAPD grads (and maybe all new hires?) went to the 1900, which was a more reasonable platform for that skill level. But when the majors started hiring, the MAPD grads did not have enough time to upgrade, so they had a captain shortage.

Eventually MAPD started doing jet sim training, and MAPD types were assigned mostly to the jet where upgrade times were longer and they didn't need to have ATP mins in 6 months.

Recently due to mesa's pilot crunch, they have been sending MAPDs to all aircraft types to satisfy short-term need...and you should have seen them squeal! Many thought they were some kind of elite material with all their jet training, and thought they had a guaranteed jet slot (that's what they paid for, right?). One young @ss clown even got himself un-hired before training even began because he kept pestering the hiring dept. to change his 1900 assignment to the jet...oops.

Thanks for the info, Rick. As usual, it's rational and logical.