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oldcarpilot 06-19-2011 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by WstCstCmtr (Post 1010718)
We have MORE people per plane than last year.

Unless you have these "numbers" from 2007 I don't care.

I'm guessing flame here but...

Why do you think we have more people per plane?

WstCstCmtr 06-19-2011 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by oldcarpilot (Post 1010719)
I'm guessing flame here but...

Why do you think we have more people per plane?

Looking at the email I got today.
June 2010 4.7 Crew per plane.
June 2011 4.9 Crew per plan

I'm not a scientist but...


4.9 > 4.7

gtechpilot 06-19-2011 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by WstCstCmtr (Post 1010777)
Looking at the email I got today.
June 2010 4.7 Crew per plane.
June 2011 4.9 Crew per plan

I'm not a scientist but...


4.9 > 4.7

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.

CT sure had a lot of statistics in his note.....

BTW, glad you trust management's sweet talk, but just curious how the numbers stack up when you include the big picture - are the planes flying more or less; are the crew members flying more or less; are they counting everyone online and flying or did they include LOAs, MGT, ALPA, MIL, etc;

My favorite though is the following:

ATL CRJ FO A4S74 06/27/2011
Block: 0:00 Credit: 2:18 TAFB: 4:03
__________________________________________________ ______________________________
Monday 06-27-2011 Report: 08:40 Release: 12:43
Flight Tail Org Dest Dep Arr Pax Block Credit D/PU Dhd Turn
1. 5205 ATL TLH 09:40 10:45 0 0:00 1:05 D 0:30
2. 5205 TLH ATL 11:15 12:28 0 0:00 1:13 D
Day Total: 0:00 2:18 Duty: 4:03
__________________________________________________ ______________________________

Boomer 06-19-2011 07:21 PM

Delta is handing out flying without any sense...

When a Comair gets awarded all the flights into Dallas on a Monday and ASA gets all the flights out of Dallas on Tuesday, a lot of crews are going to be sitting around Dallas hotels.

Multiply this by 8 carriers and a hundred cities, and you have some serious inefficiencies.

But yet it's the pilots fault for calling sick to get 12 days off in a month or for wanting an extra buck an hour...?

hslightnin 06-19-2011 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1010803)
Delta is handing out flying without any sense...

When a Comair gets awarded all the flights into Dallas on a Monday and ASA gets all the flights out of Dallas on Tuesday, a lot of crews are going to be sitting around Dallas hotels.

Multiply this by 8 carriers and a hundred cities, and you have some serious inefficiencies.

But yet it's the pilots fault for calling sick to get 12 days off in a month or for wanting an extra buck an hour...?

Dont forget they DH entire crews, bumping paying pax

contrails 06-19-2011 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 1010815)
Dont forget they DH entire crews, bumping paying pax

Saw 8 crewmembers deadheading on a 50 seat CRJ a few weeks ago. Flight was oversold before the issue of crewmembers even came up.

It did not end well.

oldcarpilot 06-20-2011 02:21 AM


Originally Posted by WstCstCmtr (Post 1010777)
Looking at the email I got today.
June 2010 4.7 Crew per plane.
June 2011 4.9 Crew per plan

I'm not a scientist but...


4.9 > 4.7

You just made my point. You are trusting MGT's numbers. I also gave staffing numbers and they don't jive well with what CT said.

CRJDriver 06-20-2011 05:30 AM

We will never get Mgmt to admit we are short staffed, and they won't do anything about it either. You can talk to any other regional pilot and they'll tell you the exact same thing is happening at their company as well. It's frustrating and nothing will change.

PurdueFlyer 06-20-2011 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 1010912)
We will never get Mgmt to admit we are short staffed, and they won't do anything about it either. You can talk to any other regional pilot and they'll tell you the exact same thing is happening at their company as well. It's frustrating and nothing will change.

Everybody is having a hard time filling classes right now. There is simply a shortage of qualified applicants or people willing to work for the wages regionals pay.

ysslah 06-20-2011 06:47 AM

{Sarcasm}

You all must be one of those few people wanting this company to fail, aren't you?

{/Sarcasm}


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