Originally Posted by jheath (Post 1013814)

There were certainly some road bumps in the form of a lack of planning or communication, as things are kind of between all three companies right now. We never really knew what we were doing next until immediately before. Payroll was and is screwing us the same as everyone else in the company.

Originally Posted by pa28dakota (Post 1013847)

I was in the 4/11 new hire class on the 9E side of things and the folks at Nonconnah did their best to keep us informed though our class seemed to be on top of asking lots of questions to find the information out. Very few bumps in the road as far as training itself though our classes hotel experiences in Memphis were less than stellar.

The one area many of us are concerned about it moving days. We were told we were getting them then planning tells us as per the new contract we don't get them at all. How are we supposed to have time to move to base which alot of us planned to do? My interpretation of the contract is that we can get moving days, but we cant get compensated for them (Section 6.6 Para I). So I am trying to figure out what to do there.

Im currently on IOE about to do my second trip. Im having issues with those pesky visual approaches so I guess thats my own personal snag in my training.

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Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1013938)

Not sure if this is different with the new contract, but you should get around the clock per diem until you get your moving days (hint hint). I didn't get mine for a couple months and it really helped subsidize my reserve checks.

Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1013938)

Not sure if this is different with the new contract, but you should get around the clock per diem until you get your moving days (hint hint). I didn't get mine for a couple months and it really helped subsidize my reserve checks.

Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1013965)

If I remember right New hires are not given moving days so this would not work. Unless I read it wrong then I would like to know forsure since I am a new hire goin through IOE and was never given moving days.

Originally Posted by jheath (Post 1013979)

Yeah, it came up with us when we had to jumpseat home from Seattle after sims because the company said they could only positive space us to our base. I said something to the effect of "well, you positive spaced us from our home airport TO here, and we haven't been given moving days yet." The response was we don't get moving days and upon completion of our checkride, as far as the company is concerned we "live" in our base. No idea when we were supposed to move there though. I didn't bother looking it up in the contract because I was too concerned with looking up language regarding the per diem we hadn't been paid yet.

Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1014005)

When we were in class, 2/28, we were considered MEM based. We got round the clock per diem and 5 moving days.

Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1014068)

Nope we were under the new contract. The old contact had us being paid 400 a week, that's it. We got guarantee plus per diem.

Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 1014095)

All new hires are paid guarantee from Day 1 of training. Your per diem will start (or should start) the day you begin OE. If you get it earlier, more power to you :)

Moving days ... well I'm just the pay guy. I'd have to look that one up... ;)

Welcome to Pinnacolaba guys/gals!

Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 1014095)

All new hires are paid guarantee from Day 1 of training. Your per diem will start (or should start) the day you begin OE. If you get it earlier, more power to you :)

Originally Posted by jheath (Post 1014132)

Word directly from PP, the rest of the training dept, and everyone at payroll I've spoke to at both Colgan and Pinnacle is that the per diem clock starts rolling as soon as you're assigned a base and you leave Memphis. For my class, that meant round the clock per diem after the first two weeks of indoc, for the entirety of systems and sims. The kicker here is we've yet to be paid that amount (a shade over $1500 dollars). Word from the training department as of 5 days ago was that they had a couple hundred people to catch up on, and my class was towards the bottom of the list, so be patient and it IS coming.

This is what I've deduced from talking to several people in both the company and the union. Originally, the per diem situation worked exactly as you described (from the start of OE). For whatever reason, and I'm certainly not complaining, someone at the top decided to start paying new hires per diem sooner. This decision was made sometime around mid to late May. As a result, there were several months of classes that were owed back per diem. It took a long time to get the ball rolling and then to go back and calculate the hourly for these classes. As a result, those of us most recently hired are still waiting. I've spoken to someone from the class two before mine who was recently paid per diem for the entirety of training after leaving Memphis so this theory checks. I think the disconnect is that after this decision was made in May, no one told the guys on the MEC which is why you all are going by the previous information. Thanks for all your help though, if you're who I was conversing with via email.

Originally Posted by jheath (Post 1014132)

Word directly from PP, the rest of the training dept, and everyone at payroll I've spoke to at both Colgan and Pinnacle is that the per diem clock starts rolling as soon as you're assigned a base and you leave Memphis. For my class, that meant round the clock per diem after the first two weeks of indoc, for the entirety of systems and sims. The kicker here is we've yet to be paid that amount (a shade over $1500 dollars). Word from the training department as of 5 days ago was that they had a couple hundred people to catch up on, and my class was towards the bottom of the list, so be patient and it IS coming.

This is what I've deduced from talking to several people in both the company and the union. Originally, the per diem situation worked exactly as you described (from the start of OE). For whatever reason, and I'm certainly not complaining, someone at the top decided to start paying new hires per diem sooner. This decision was made sometime around mid to late May. As a result, there were several months of classes that were owed back per diem. It took a long time to get the ball rolling and then to go back and calculate the hourly for these classes. As a result, those of us most recently hired are still waiting. I've spoken to someone from the class two before mine who was recently paid per diem for the entirety of training after leaving Memphis so this theory checks. I think the disconnect is that after this decision was made in May, no one told the guys on the MEC which is why you all are going by the previous information. Thanks for all your help though, if you're who I was conversing with via email.

Originally Posted by CRJPlt (Post 1014294)

Well as the contract states, Any pay discrepancies over $100 will be paid, at the request of the pilot, within 5 days by live check.

Sounds like they are in violation of this and should be grieved. Hopefully you get some compounded interest on this...

Originally Posted by magnus0322 (Post 1014318)

How were you guys assigned a base? I mean here on the XJ side from day 1 we have known our base is going to be LGA so does that mean we should be getting per diem like you did?

Originally Posted by magnus0322 (Post 1014318)

How were you guys assigned a base? I mean here on the XJ side from day 1 we have known our base is going to be LGA so does that mean we should be getting per diem like you did?

Originally Posted by norskman2 (Post 1014381)

What have the recent new hire base assignments been for 9E? I'm assuming it's a whole lot of DTW and JFK.

Originally Posted by xxxFlyBoyxxx (Post 1014595)

Does anyone know if Mesaba has started interviewing again for future class dates?

Originally Posted by jheath (Post 1014132)

Word directly from PP, the rest of the training dept, and everyone at payroll I've spoke to at both Colgan and Pinnacle is that the per diem clock starts rolling as soon as you're assigned a base and you leave Memphis. For my class, that meant round the clock per diem after the first two weeks of indoc, for the entirety of systems and sims. The kicker here is we've yet to be paid that amount (a shade over $1500 dollars). Word from the training department as of 5 days ago was that they had a couple hundred people to catch up on, and my class was towards the bottom of the list, so be patient and it IS coming.

This is what I've deduced from talking to several people in both the company and the union. Originally, the per diem situation worked exactly as you described (from the start of OE). For whatever reason, and I'm certainly not complaining, someone at the top decided to start paying new hires per diem sooner. This decision was made sometime around mid to late May. As a result, there were several months of classes that were owed back per diem. It took a long time to get the ball rolling and then to go back and calculate the hourly for these classes. As a result, those of us most recently hired are still waiting. I've spoken to someone from the class two before mine who was recently paid per diem for the entirety of training after leaving Memphis so this theory checks. I think the disconnect is that after this decision was made in May, no one told the guys on the MEC which is why you all are going by the previous information. Thanks for all your help though, if you're who I was conversing with via email.

Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 1014520)

If you came PRIOR to the integrated seniority list, which unless you came in the last week you did, then you WILL get per diem 24/7 and hotel until you get moving days. It's in Letter of Agreement 2 section D of the new contract.. here's the language
"Pinnacle pilots who are awarded a vacancy or who are displaced shall receive moving benefits, including continuous per diem and hotel buy-out, under the terms of the prior CBA until the first Notice and Award following the implementation of the Integrated Seniority List "
Seems to me like that's pretty cut and dried. Don't let the compnay tell you what you are and aren't entitled to, they will ALWAYS make it work in their favor. Now if you WERE one of the guys who came last week then you are still entitled to moving days but the benefit is much reduced. And if you tell them that you're still entitled to it and they won't give it to you, call the contract duty officer, that's what they're there for.

Originally Posted by magnus0322 (Post 1014933)

Is this also applicable to Mesaba pilots? I thought we were all under one contract, should we be getting per diem? I find no reason in the current contract why a new hire FO should not be receiving per diem for training in MSP when we are going to be based in LGA and have known this since day 1 of training other than the company trying to save some cash

Originally Posted by mukalel (Post 1015082)

has anyone got any idea as to how many new hired have mesaba placed in the saab pool for LGA?? They have yet to schedule any classes...almost feels like an indefinite wait

Originally Posted by mukalel (Post 1015082)

has anyone got any idea as to how many new hired have mesaba placed in the saab pool for LGA?? They have yet to schedule any classes...almost feels like an indefinite wait

Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL (Post 1015107)

Don't worry about it, enjoy your last summer off.

Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 1014520)

If you came PRIOR to the integrated seniority list, which unless you came in the last week you did, then you WILL get per diem 24/7 and hotel until you get moving days. It's in Letter of Agreement 2 section D of the new contract.. here's the language
"Pinnacle pilots who are awarded a vacancy or who are displaced shall receive moving benefits, including continuous per diem and hotel buy-out, under the terms of the prior CBA until the first Notice and Award following the implementation of the Integrated Seniority List "
Seems to me like that's pretty cut and dried. Don't let the compnay tell you what you are and aren't entitled to, they will ALWAYS make it work in their favor. Now if you WERE one of the guys who came last week then you are still entitled to moving days but the benefit is much reduced. And if you tell them that you're still entitled to it and they won't give it to you, call the contract duty officer, that's what they're there for.

Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 1015093)

Mukalel, you in the pool for next class? It definitely feels like an indefinite wait. I would hope sometime in the middle of July, but who knows.