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Bartok 08-01-2011 11:14 AM

New Pinnacle Bid Power -- Jets
 
I have taken the bid packets for all the Jets at the new Pinnacle and added the new SLI seniority numbers so everyone can see where they sit in every aircraft and seat.

I have removed any personal info.


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If you want to see where you sit on the TurboProps:

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Saabs 08-01-2011 11:46 AM

Mighty kind of u Bartok!

higney85 08-01-2011 11:46 AM

Nice work. Regardless of how each person feels about their number and spot, thanks for you efforts.

Fly782 08-01-2011 12:06 PM

is there an updated ISL since the original one was posted?

PropDriver 08-01-2011 12:08 PM

This is awesome. Thanks Bartok!

MunkyButtr 08-01-2011 12:15 PM

That's cool! Hopefully you did this on overnights when you were being "paid."

whtever 08-01-2011 12:17 PM

Thanks! This is really helpful. It should be interesting to see how the vacancies play out, I'm guessing a lot of movement...

Bartok 08-01-2011 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1032249)
is there an updated ISL since the original one was posted?

On the ALPA website there is a sortable excel file (that I just found out about, lol) that you can use to sort any way you please.

Sure would have saved me time and effort!

Fly782 08-01-2011 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1032258)
On the ALPA website there is a sortable excel file (that I just found out about, lol) that you can use to sort any way you please.

Sure would have saved me time and effort!

Sorry, little slow today. Where is it exactly? All I can find is the original one not an updated one... thanks!

Saabs 08-01-2011 01:06 PM

Anyone know how many hard lines in dtw there are on the 200? Saw about 280 captains on there....

flyprdu 08-01-2011 01:40 PM

I have been scouring alpa.org for this mentioned Master list Excel file. It must be on the Mesaba alpa site.

PCL cannot afford such luxuries like Up-to-date master seniority lists and unnecessary frills such as message boards.

Would be sweet if you guys could possible host that list too.

Bartok 08-01-2011 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 1032301)
I have been scouring alpa.org for this mentioned Master list Excel file. It must be on the Mesaba alpa site.

PCL cannot afford such luxuries like Up-to-date master seniority lists and unnecessary frills such as message boards.

Would be sweet if you guys could possible host that list too.

It contains names, employee #'s, DOB, DOH, I'm not going to post it.

Talk to your ALPA reps, the one XJ has is up to date, I think I even saw June 6th, 2011 hires on it.

MunkyButtr 08-01-2011 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 1032301)
I have been scouring alpa.org for this mentioned Master list Excel file. It must be on the Mesaba alpa site.

PCL cannot afford such luxuries like Up-to-date master seniority lists and unnecessary frills such as message boards.

Would be sweet if you guys could possible host that list too.

You're not happy enough with your weekly staying current with all its useful and easy to comprehend information? (Sarcasm)

WIPilot 08-01-2011 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1032361)
You're not happy enough with your weekly staying current with all its useful and easy to comprehend information? (Sarcasm)

I'm sure they're looking for help if you are willing :rolleyes:

The Juice 08-01-2011 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1032361)
You're not happy enough with your weekly staying current with all its useful and easy to comprehend information? (Sarcasm)

Don't forget about the "Tip of the Captain's Hat" in every Staying Current

mooney 08-01-2011 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1032368)
Don't forget about the "Tip of the Captain's Hat" in every Staying Current

I usually just pass my hat around......dang health insurance rates!

usmc-sgt 08-01-2011 04:14 PM

Interesting. I have much more bidding power in JFK than I do in EWR. Suppose that's what happens when you take a predominantly MEM/MSP airline and give them a northeast base....it goes junior.

The extra bidding power and $2 more per hour is not enough to get me into a -200 though. I'd have to see some pretty good QOL increases to consider it. The fences would also have to allow it.

MunkyButtr 08-01-2011 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by WIPilot (Post 1032367)
I'm sure they're looking for help if you are willing :rolleyes:


Shouldn't come down to that. One airline's union does just fine, guess I'll just wait for them to takeover to expect returns on my dues. Discussion for another day and thread, don't want to hijack. At some point you just have to cut your losses and move on.

MunkyButtr 08-01-2011 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1032219)
I have taken the bid packets for all the Jets at the new Pinnacle and added the new SLI seniority numbers so everyone can see where they sit in every aircraft and seat.

I have removed any personal info.


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If you want to see where you sit on the TurboProps:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...er-tprops.html


Just curious what date the senority numbers are relevant to. Is this is more updated list than Bloch's?

flyprdu 08-01-2011 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1032395)
Interesting. I have much more bidding power in JFK than I do in EWR. Suppose that's what happens when you take a predominantly MEM/MSP airline and give them a northeast base....it goes junior.

The extra bidding power and $2 more per hour is not enough to get me into a -200 though. I'd have to see some pretty good QOL increases to consider it. The fences would also have to allow it.

You crack me up. All that talk about how no one from Colgan would jump sides, and why relative would have been fine....

... and here you are "considering" the jump.

higney85 08-01-2011 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1032288)
Anyone know how many hard lines in dtw there are on the 200? Saw about 280 captains on there....

Roughly 40 are RSV is the goal (last few months it's been 29-33 based on staffing), 12-14 CDO (High speed lines) total. Another 5-6 (at least that's the goal- Max) hybrids. Some bid down to RSV and some bid down/over to CDO's for QOL so it's not genuinely the bottom guys with RSV and CDO's.

JSDL 08-01-2011 05:28 PM

I must be missing something because I personally know some FO's on the 200 in DTW and their number wasn't on your list??? Maybe it has something to do with the MOU?

Bartok 08-01-2011 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by JSDL (Post 1032440)
I must be missing something because I personally know some FO's on the 200 in DTW and their number wasn't on your list??? Maybe it has something to do with the MOU?

Yeah, that's exactly what it is, I switched the way I was getting my information midstream because I found the ALPA excel file.

When I sorted I didn't take into account what company they are sorted under, which could be Colgan, Mesaba, or Pinnacle.

Bartok 08-01-2011 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1032432)
Just curious what date the senority numbers are relevant to. Is this is more updated list than Bloch's?

The lists that are for 9E and 2 of the XJ ones are from the excel file, and they are more current than the Bloch list.

I need to adjust my sort to put the MOU guys in the lists.

It would be nice if the company had bid packets available to all of us with all this info.

flyprdu 08-01-2011 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1032368)
Don't forget about the "Tip of the Captain's Hat" in every Staying Current

Oh man, I always thought it read "Just the Tip of the Captain"

Boy do I feel silly. :o

The Juice 08-01-2011 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 1032448)
Oh man, I always thought it read "Just the Tip of the Captain"

Boy do I feel silly. :o

Suker giving you "just the tip of the Captain" :eek:

FlyJSH 08-01-2011 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1032395)
Interesting. I have much more bidding power in JFK than I do in EWR. Suppose that's what happens when you take a predominantly MEM/MSP airline and give them a northeast base....it goes junior.

The extra bidding power and $2 more per hour is not enough to get me into a -200 though. I'd have to see some pretty good QOL increases to consider it. The fences would also have to allow it.


Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 1032435)
You crack me up. All that talk about how no one from Colgan would jump sides, and why relative would have been fine....

... and here you are "considering" the jump.

I'm sure there are many people "considering"..... even I considered it for all of 10 seconds.... $12/hour (a net increase of $5-6 after taxes and a crash pad) is not nearly enough to entice me to commute to the frigid north..... I'll just bide my time and wait for a Q slot and live in base.

cencal83406 08-01-2011 08:42 PM

I second the questionable removal of our company forum and providing the "ALPA" version... which sucks.

Probably just PCL ALPA trying to protect themselves by removing a communication tool...

:mad:

Hey XJ guys, did you guys have a company forum? I will vote for anyone who is willing to get us back a PHPBB style bulletin board for official union communication and pilot complaining... it really is wonderful.

RIP airlinkpilots.com/cgi-perl/bb

jetstream11 08-02-2011 07:39 AM

9E pilots, I'm relatively new, 2 months. and I forgot/don't know what my new senority number is. Is there anyway to find it on the 9E website? or do i have to call someone. I've been in training and haven't really thought about it.

Thanks

PropDriver 08-02-2011 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1032520)
I second the questionable removal of our company forum and providing the "ALPA" version... which sucks.

Probably just PCL ALPA trying to protect themselves by removing a communication tool...

:mad:

Hey XJ guys, did you guys have a company forum? I will vote for anyone who is willing to get us back a PHPBB style bulletin board for official union communication and pilot complaining... it really is wonderful.

RIP airlinkpilots.com/cgi-perl/bb

Check out pinnacolabapilots.com

usmc-sgt 08-02-2011 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 1032435)
You crack me up. All that talk about how no one from Colgan would jump sides, and why relative would have been fine....

... and here you are "considering" the jump.

Not exactly what I said.

But yes, providing it would make my life better THEN I would consider it. I know JFK is high on most of PNCLs dream sheet so I take that into consideration as not to step on any toes.

Number one on my preference sheet currently says "EWR CA" and has for a long time.

Besides, I do what I want and you'll like it!

tom14cat14 08-02-2011 12:34 PM

Boy looking at the updated list on the union site makes be depressed. If i was at 9e my hire date would be 300 numbers higher and if i was at 9l i would be 900 number higher on the new list.

Saabs 08-02-2011 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1032892)
Boy looking at the updated list on the union site makes be depressed. If i was at 9e my hire date would be 300 numbers higher and if i was at 9l i would be 900 number higher on the new list.

That may be, but did u lose almost 20% of relative seniority? Just playing devils advocate.

The Juice 08-02-2011 02:05 PM

Cant wait to fly that fancy jet!!! :rolleyes:

Bartok 08-02-2011 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by JSDL (Post 1032440)
I must be missing something because I personally know some FO's on the 200 in DTW and their number wasn't on your list??? Maybe it has something to do with the MOU?

Ok, I updated the lists to try to include all the MOU pilots, if they are listed as different bases or aircraft, I have no way of knowing.

tom14cat14 08-02-2011 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1032911)
That may be, but did u lose almost 20% of relative seniority? Just playing devils advocate.

no i only lost 8%. And only got a dollar pay raise and very little in change of work rules. But I am not getting furloughed unless something really bad happens.

captain152 08-03-2011 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1032782)
Not exactly what I said.

But yes, providing it would make my life better THEN I would consider it. I know JFK is high on most of PNCLs dream sheet so I take that into consideration as not to step on any toes.

Number one on my preference sheet currently says "EWR CA" and has for a long time.

Besides, I do what I want and you'll like it!


HAHAHAHA!!! ... well played, sir! :cool:

I'm on the super-slaab in IAH currently, but the lady wants to move back up "north" to PA and surrounding areas ... so I've got my bid in on several birds, and IAD SF3 CA isn't one of them. My guess is I'll end up in EWR due to the fences, but it all boils down to what will give you the better QOL honestly. ;) I'm not sure QOL can increase with EWR ... but it's better pay and I wouldn't be the butt-plug :)

UNDPilot 08-03-2011 08:38 AM

Does anyone have a current list of XJ Saab Ca's in DTW, MSP, and MEM? Would be nice to see where these pilots fall when the Saab goes away.

Bartok 08-03-2011 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by UNDPilot (Post 1033394)
Does anyone have a current list of XJ Saab Ca's in DTW, MSP, and MEM? Would be nice to see where these pilots fall when the Saab goes away.

That's a great idea, I'll do it when I get to computer.

captain152 08-03-2011 11:59 AM

You must have a lot of free time...


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