they have 2 ops certs now too, esp if they park the ATR fast, opens up pilots and the exec op cert.

LMAO !!!

You've been at Eagle like what..........six months (if that) ?

Now you're confidently hypothisizing what the future "former" Eagle is going to do with their operation and/or their certificates ?

IIRC, you were hammered on this forum previously for overstepping your Eagle knowledge prior to attending new-hire basic indoc at Eagle by pilots already having significant time on property.

At this tender stage of your career, I think you'd be better off ASKING questions instead of answering them. You're starting to come off looking like the Eagle/Industry expert. As a JFK EMJ F/O (going to MIA), are you setting your captains straight as well where Eagle and the industry are going ?

I know it's an intoxicating time for you wearing a snappy uniform and looking good in the mirror, but perhaps it's best not to let that get to your head too fast. It's just a suggestion, but you may want to observe and absorb your new world and get more of a solid foundation before coming to any certainties and then you can join subpilot who thinks he's got it all figured out.

BTW, the "shortage" your waiting for that has been predicted to come "any day now", has been predicted for decades. Yes, ebb and flow, up and down, but the true major retirement schedule that really impact the majors will not really get going until the end of this decade.

I was just throwing ideas around on the internet, sorry if it set you off. I dont actually think thats even going to happen, I dont think anyone does. Its a web forum of speculation, I was just speculating off what the guy before said. I will try and tread more lightly and listen more.

I dont come on here to make anyone mad, I just come on here to speculate. What happens to eagle happens to me, so I like to play in the ideas, sorry for sounding over bearing, I wasnt trying to come off like I knew anything more than anyone else.

Dont worry about it, you have every right to speculate as much as the next guy. Don't let the bitter, miserable folk around here get you down. Most of the people here who act like they know what's going to happen don't know crap, and are usually wrong. I've been on these Internet speculation forums for years now, and the one thing I have learned is, it's mostly all complete crap. Just entertainment. Nobody else here has any more idea than the next guy. The bitterness and the ego always shine though.

Haha... that's a good one!

I'll be the first to admit that I have no clue what is going to become of us.

IMO, you did nothing wrong at all. This a public forum and you have the same right as everyone else to post your thoughts and opinions.

sounds like a typical crusty old bitter Eagle captain.

Anyway, if Eagle plans to survive more then 5-9 years they do indeed need to move some planes around on certificates to allow for the purchase of larger aircraft to try and win some ASA's with other airlines.

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One of my buds at the school house (Eagle), stated that Dan G wants to see all the twelve year senior guys and up at Eagle to flow to AA prior to any AA hiring. You will see things really start to move at Eagle if this is true.

Well, before any of the 824's can "flow" they will have to hire from the street.

The company can make it 100% Eagle pilots if it wants to. The ruling states 50% Of the AA classes will be occupied by Eagle pilots (there is some other language as well). But the can chose to flow as many pilots as the want and hire of they street when they want.

Preach on brother man that other guy was a dick to u

100% Eagle pilots, aint happening. They will "transfer" as many as they want pending staffing at Eagle. They withheld some FT's back in the late 90's...

If we shrink the fleet size and get fat on crew staffing levels, there is no need to withhold the flowups. Disclaimer: I've never seen this place properly staffed!!!

Shrink= Displacements or furloughs. Not everyone wants to flow...

Run that by the APA guys who want AA to hire their military buddies and let me know how that goes.

Guys not saying that they will just load up on eagle pilots. But if we start parking airplanes and put (young pilots) on the streets is defeating the purpose of cutting pilot cost because we will then be a more senior group. I am not having a wet dream or anything but you will see Eagle having atleat 50% of AA classes. That is the way is written for the 824. Again we know how creative companies can be. As far as everyone flowing, absolutely agree not everyone wants or is going to go for obvious reasons (senior guys & guys with certain priorities). Our upgrade time is about 4.5 years right now but te majority of our captains have been with the company for over 10 yrs. So I do believe that AMR will do whatever it can to get as many eagle captain at AA first year pay as possible. What number will that be, thats the big question. As Far as APA, not to sound like a company man but we as pilots often forget we are workforce and in today's market we have little leverage. How much of a voice did APA have on the "every eagle pilot going to AA" (by the way that LOA will be interesting to see). It will still be a few years before the market turn in our favor.

Fee for departure
 

Over in the major's section under the Delta L&G the Delta pilots have been discussing the end of the fee for departure to the DCI carriers.

Does anyone know what Eagle's current arrangement is with AMR?

My bet is next contract DL pilots will give up more scope, creating more fee for deparure flights.

That won't happen because a lot of SENIORS captains don't want to flow or change company.

Let's say that AMR can get 50% Of the current eagle captains moved to AA, how much do you think that would save them. Consider this that would be on average replacing a 12 yr captain with a 4 year captain. I think 1/2 of Eagle captains today will take a job at AA. Then the Captains that want to stY have to decide between what the company is telling they will do to Eagle and starting over. We know the company will make try allthe can to make the choice for them. And give it sometime, wait untill it's time for them to make a decision. Some will ride it out, but I say most of our captains will move on!

What is your definition of senior?

Wow... There is a certain person in this forum who would do everybody a favor by leaving Eagle as quickly as possible. Maybe take up gardening or some other endevour to sooth his nerves.

He must be a peach to go on a 4 day with....

You talking to me? (said like in the mob movies) :p

Do you think senior guys will sell out junior guys again?

If big D does another Fee for Departure set of contracts then AMR will probably try to do the same.

But taking planes from Eagle and having some other form of contract where the regional is responsible for fuel, well that could be a game changer industry wide.

BTW: how's Chicago treating you? What kind of trips are you able to hold now?

Nope.. If anything I was sticking up for you. ;)

I've resigned from Eagle and have just planted some radicchio and squash.

You're right......I feel better already. ;)

No, It will be a mixture of those who cannot understand contract language. There are many loop holes in the agreement to go to AA as preferred hiring to where many will not be able to go. This is just to place a carrot out there for those to vote yes on concessionary contract which will be coming out by the begining of September. Being that that the MEC at Eagle has been in unofficial negotiations for the last nine months with management. You know secret.

Sorry, but the agreement to go to AA is a done deal. It makes no difference if we agree to any concessions or not. It also makes no difference if Eagle is divested or not. That agreement is a grievance settlement, not a carrot. The only thing that will nullify the agreement is a complete liquidation of Eagle.

Can you please point out a few of these loop holes you speak of.

No. Read the LOA and work the angles.

First off, it's a grievance settlement, not a LOA. Second, I've read the settlement countless times, and don't see all the loopholes you speak of. What specifically are you talking about when it comes to loopholes?

If he's an F/O, that means he's only been there a few years at most and has little idea of agreements of the past, what they really meant and what this means. I've read it too and it's so full of holes, it's course mesh.

Eagle has a whole new group of wide-eyed dreamers now.

Better than a group of bitter old miserable geezers. Sorry it took you over two decades at a regional to move on. Is that why you are obsessed with constantly trying to beat down everyone's optimism over their own careers on this and on another pilot forum? But seriously, since you seem to find plenty of time to harp on the demise of Eagle and the Swiss cheese nature of the grievance settlement, could you go through and point out some of the obvious "holes" in it? I really am interested in your analysis. If I were you though, I'd be more worried about this:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/...ppear-by-2020/

Oh, and I'm 6th year at Eagle, so I wasn't here for most of the whole letter 3 debacle, but flew with enough flowbacks, as well as displaced captains down in SJU to get a pretty good understanding. I may have even flown with you before.

I'm normally kind of pessimistic by nature, so I have no grand illusions of being at AA anytime soon, or at all by the way things look there financially, but it irks me to have someone constantly trying to force everyone else to be as negative and unhappy as they are, just for the sake of doing so.

+100 i agree fully