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Has anyone had a previous flying job not recommend you for rehire? My flight school marked that when American Eagle sent them the records request. Has this happened to anyone? What did it do to your offer with the airline?
Thanks

and how much money did you give them for training?

I had this happen 5 years ago when I left my instructing gig for a regional. I gave them 2 weeks and they were upset because they wanted more time and I explained that 2 weeks was the norm and I had a class date that I needed to be in. The head guy was upset and said that we would give everyone and anyone who asks a bad reference for me.

I called my new airline and told them this and their response was "who cares, we see this a lot"

Not saying this will be the same in your case but it does happen

Well I only taught there, for 18 months. Eagle called me and asked me to send them a short email to add to my file explaining it. I am supposed to hear Friday the outcome from the final review.

I would think the biggest thing would be why would it happen. Did it happen because you gave two weeks notice and they wanted more, or because you were involved in an incident? A lot could change depending on how they view what happened.

Well, I was part time, I gave plenty of notice, and they said I had a "bad attitude" which is bogus. That does not warrant a would not rehire recommendation imo.

WHY did they say you were not eligible for rehire?

Did you bail without two weeks notice? Did you leave your students hanging? Or were you a lousy employee?

Did you disclose that your employer might say bad things and why?

In almost thirty years since I left high school, I have been fired twice by two different companies. One rehired me a year later, and the second offered to forward a personal NOT professional reference (I failed to meet their training requirements) because I was a forthright and honest guy.

When I was in the hiring department at one company, I had to let a guy go because he had a shortfall, but I, too, offered him a reference because he was an a-j-squared-away guy who just happened to not meet our standards. His next employer contacted me, and with my recommendation, he was hired.

If the company was like a bitter ex lover, the new company will understand (especially if you give them a heads up), but if you burned a bridge, you may be out of luck.

I don't know you so I am not able to make a judgement, but NOBODY thinks they have a bad attitude. Think back. What makes them say your attitude was bad? For example, did you refuse to fly through a tropical storm or did you only fly when it was clear blue and a million?

They cited a bad attitude, that was it. I passed my students off because we were slow. I was not flying at all because there were really no students coming in. I was frustrated about the lack of work and was not going to sit in the office by the phone waiting for new students with out pay. I took a 135 job and that was 8 months ago.

Not passing judgement (I may well have done the same thing), but if your boss saw you being "frustrated", he may have decided you have a bad attitude.

(again, I don't know you and am not passing judgement)

In this day of perpetual lawsuits, most "big corporation" type companies, at least outside of the aviation world, vitually refuse to say anything about a former employee other than he worked there during a specific period of time. I find it odd that any businessman would want to take on the possiblity of a lawsuit for something as subjective as a "bad attitude". Then again I met plenty of lousy businessmen in the aviation world.

The legal question is this:

Is this person re-hirable, yes, no?

If they spill more than that they open themselves up to litigation.

Another lesson to take away from this type of situation.

Perception is more important than reality.

USMCFLYR

Got a lawyer buddy who can write something up for you? As far as I know, you're previous employer can only say "yes he worked here", not "yes he worked here and he's a peckerhead".

You won't be hired at Eagle they don't tolerate that kind of stuff you have to have a clean record even if it wasn't your fault

You should take the flight school to court.

The packet at Eagle has a "will not hold liable" type thing to sign off. The PRIA information they send to previous flying jobs includes a checklist with questions like: Did this person follow procedures, did this person show up to work on time, did he work well with others....etc.

I was rejected by the review board at Eagle after a successful interview and I suspect this had something to do with it.

Good luck, hope you fare better than I did.

My last job was a scheduled 135 gig that I only did for about 4 months before getting hired at my current job. I wasn't under a training contract, I got along with everyone, I gave them two weeks notice, and the chief pilot even wished me the best of luck on my last day when I turned in my badge. However, when the PRIA stuff came back from them there was an HR paper in there and they had checked a box saying I wasn't eligible for rehire with a comment underneath saying something about how no one who resigns voluntarily is eligible for rehire.

Kind of a dumb policy for a company but, hey, that's their business. My current employers didn't say anything about it.

Was this at OK State?

No, it was not OK State.

Well, if Eagle rejects me, I may go to someone and ask what rules were broken by the school.
I did'nt think they could say anything but yes or no on the rehire question.

Were you an employee or 1099? Lots of flight schools make instructors independent contractors if that was the case and they said that they screwed themselves and you have one hell of a lawsuit if you choose. Even if you get hired by eagle

Also if you were an independent contractor they should never have been contacted anyways

Of course thats my opinion

Differs by state as well. I'm not sure what the OK law is, despite going to school there and working there several years. In TX for example, an employer can't even say whether you're eligible for rehire.

Also not passing judgement but ..

"I was frustrated about the lack of work and was not going to sit in the office by the phone waiting for new students with out pay."

sounds like sitting ready reserve at most regionals.

Except CFI's dont get min guarantee...

Exactly, that was the problem.
Doesn't matter though, just got the call from recruiting, I passed phase two. Now I just need to study up on that darn urine test :eek: