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cencal83406 09-22-2011 01:16 PM

9E - Long Airport Sits...
 
So, there I was, with a 2:37 minute sit until my DH to overnight, on a generated pairing, when there was a flight 52 minutes after scheduled block in that would get me to the overnight sooner...

"legal", per our contract...:rolleyes:

What's with the "legal connection time" + 15 / 30? Someone enlighten me why we want a 2 hour meal break at the airport? Trying to one-up USW for dumb contractual provisions???

9eflyer 09-22-2011 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1058518)
So, there I was, with a 2:37 minute sit until my DH to overnight, on a generated pairing, when there was a flight 52 minutes after scheduled block in that would get me to the overnight sooner...

"legal", per our contract...:rolleyes:

What's with the "legal connection time" + 15 / 30? Someone enlighten me why we want a 2 hour meal break at the airport? Trying to one-up USW for dumb contractual provisions???

It's Mesaba's fault.

DLAJ77 09-22-2011 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1058518)
So, there I was, with a 2:37 minute sit until my DH to overnight, on a generated pairing, when there was a flight 52 minutes after scheduled block in that would get me to the overnight sooner...

"legal", per our contract...:rolleyes:

What's with the "legal connection time" + 15 / 30? Someone enlighten me why we want a 2 hour meal break at the airport? Trying to one-up USW for dumb contractual provisions???

good thing you have industry leading rigs and 100% DH pay in the new contract!

jayray2 09-22-2011 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by DLAJ77 (Post 1058533)
good thing you have industry leading rigs and 100% DH pay in the new contract!

Industry leading 11 days off too! And they now allow 4 day open time pick ups!!! So we can be a prostitute for one extra day a month . . .

B00sted 09-22-2011 02:00 PM

2 hour meal break? The only meal break provision in 1 hour provided your duty day is more than 7 hours.

B00sted 09-22-2011 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 1058537)
Industry leading 11 days off too! And now they now allow 4 day open time pick ups!!! So we can be a prostitute for one extra day a month . . .

I'm all for the increase to 4 days. Its a very lucrative provision...If you know how to work it. :D

SrfNFly227 09-22-2011 02:58 PM

The Pinnacle FAs have a meal break provision in their contract. They have to get 90 minutes if the duty day is over a certain length (I think it's 9 hours). If they do not receive the break, they get extra pay. I would imagine that this will explain it since pilots and FAs have the same pairings at Pinnacle.

Salukipilot4590 09-22-2011 03:09 PM

I laugh in your general direction OP....

2:37 get a load of this guy!

That's half of what we sit on airways pairings....

mooney 09-22-2011 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 1058537)
Industry leading 11 days off too! And now they now allow 4 day open time pick ups!!! So we can be a prostitute for one extra day a month . . .


or....Jayray can bid max credit and fly his butt off on a 95 hour 12 day off line, while I bid 16-17 days off, get 75 hours originally, and pick up on 3 days off and still have 2 more days off than him, while flying 10-15 less hours than he does and crediting 110+ on days I want to work, not have to work.....:rolleyes: That makes you a streetwalking hooker and me a Bunny Rancher....

nobody has a gun to your head Jay.....

jayray2 09-22-2011 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1058597)
or....Jayray can bid max credit and fly his butt off on a 95 hour 12 day off line, while I bid 16-17 days off, get 75 hours originally, and pick up on 3 days off and still have 2 more days off than him, while flying 10-15 less hours than he does and crediting 110+ on days I want to work, not have to work.....:rolleyes: That makes you a streetwalking hooker and me a Bunny Rancher....

nobody has a gun to your head Jay.....

If you can swing that then you are in the select few. Good for you. You are senior, you have all the bidding power, all the days off you want, all the vacation days you want. Why shouldn't you get to work for 150% while forcing everyone else below you to work 11 days? That is the way the system is set up, why wouldn't you take advantage of it?

I will sell you an application that will tell you of new open time within 3 minutes of it being released, all I want is 5% of your premium pay per trip you pick up. I'm not joking either, get in now before all the junior people get in before you and steal your open time. I'm only allowing 10 people per seat in on this once of a lifetime opportunity. You'll never again miss an open time trip of a lifetime while someone junior to you picks up your $3,000 trip. PM for more details.

Farmlover 09-22-2011 05:46 PM

if you have a schedule like that call and get it changed.

cencal83406 09-22-2011 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1058664)
if you have a schedule like that call and get it changed.

"Go ask the gate agent"

Trust me, I did...

DL31082 09-22-2011 06:38 PM

You don't have to be senior to have 15+ days off in DTW. I'm a 2/28/11 new hire and I have 18 days off next month. It's all about how you bid.

Avroman 09-22-2011 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1058699)
You don't have to be senior to have 15+ days off in DTW. I'm a 2/28/11 new hire and I have 18 days off next month. It's all about how you bid.

What the heck is your position?

Saabs 09-22-2011 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1058707)
What the heck is your position?

Probably pilot

B00sted 09-22-2011 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1058699)
You don't have to be senior to have 15+ days off in DTW. I'm a 2/28/11 new hire and I have 18 days off next month. It's all about how you bid.

LMAO. Seniority matters, not how u you bid.

18 days off, yet you cant even fly a visual. Think you should be sporting 11 days off til you can fly the plane...Just my opinion.

Is anyone else sick of doing go arounds with noobs who think they hot ****? And been here 6 months?

Saabs 09-22-2011 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 1058769)
LMAO. Seniority matters, not how u you bid.

18 days off, yet you cant even fly a visual. Think you should be sporting 11 days off til you can fly the plane...Just my opinion.

Is anyone else sick of doing go arounds with noobs who think they hot ****? And been here 6 months?

This guy was never a noob. He was born with a 747 type rating.

B00sted 09-22-2011 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1058771)
This guy was never a noob. He was born with a 747 type rating.

Bet he logs transoceanic crossing on Microsoft Flight Sim too

cencal83406 09-22-2011 08:08 PM

Oldest 2/28/11 new hire: 1965 ; youngest: 1990.

BUPilot37 09-22-2011 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 1058769)
Is anyone else sick of doing go arounds with noobs who think they hot ****? And been here 6 months?

Nope. I don't let it get that far. After giving suggestions when I see they are getting behind the A/C and can't recover, I say "My controls." They know when they F it up. We talk about it. They learn. It's why they pay us more to wear that extra stripe.

Lone Palm 09-22-2011 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1058699)
You don't have to be senior to have 15+ days off in DTW. I'm a 2/28/11 new hire and I have 18 days off next month. It's all about how you bid.


Enjoy your time off while you can because it's not going to last, Mr. Displacement is knocking at your door and he's angry.

aviatorpr 09-22-2011 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by BUPilot37 (Post 1058791)
Nope. I don't let it get that far. After giving suggestions when I see they are getting behind the A/C and can't recover, I say "My controls." They know when they F it up. We talk about it. They learn. It's why they pay us more to wear that extra stripe.

We all have four stripes, some gold, some black :D

B00sted 09-22-2011 09:23 PM

whats four stripes mean?

DL31082 09-23-2011 04:59 AM

Ok guys. Number 1 I never said I was hot sh*t. All I said was right now you dont have to be real senior to get days off.

Yes I know I'm probably going to
be back on reserve by the time all of this is over.

DL31082 09-23-2011 05:01 AM

How the hell do you know if I can fly a visual or not? Have I ever flown with you? Do you even know who I am?

IBPilot 09-23-2011 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 1058651)
Why shouldn't you get to work for 150% while forcing everyone else below you to work 11 days? That is the way the system is set up, why wouldn't you take advantage of it?

I will sell you an application that will tell you of new open time within 3 minutes of it being released, all I want is 5% of your premium pay per trip you pick up. I'm not joking either, get in now before all the junior people get in before you and steal your open time. I'm only allowing 10 people per seat in on this once of a lifetime opportunity. You'll never again miss an open time trip of a lifetime while someone junior to you picks up your $3,000 trip. PM for more details.

How does someone senior bidding to work as little as possible, while you admit you bid max credit, force you into a 11 day off line? you do that to yourself. You sound like an entitlement kid who hates the seniority system unless it benefits you...
And when did anyone say that they were po'd because a JR guy "stole" their open time? What fantasy world are you coming from, seriously?:confused::rolleyes:

Al Czervik 09-25-2011 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1058699)
You don't have to be senior to have 15+ days off in DTW. I'm a 2/28/11 new hire and I have 18 days off next month. It's all about how you bid.

Smart post. Let everyone senior to you know how good things are.

freezingflyboy 09-25-2011 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1058847)
How the hell do you know if I can fly a visual or not? Have I ever flown with you? Do you even know who I am?

I think by virtue of the fact that you claim to be a 2/28/11 hire which means you've probably been on the line at most 4-5 months, the odds of you being able to "walk the walk" are not in your favor and you probably still have a lot to learn. But maybe you are a true "Top Gun", that rare exception of a noob who, when dumped off by approach at 9000 feet on a weird angle to the downwind, can flawlessly execute a superb visual approach that would make Chuck Yeager himself weep in awe of your aviation skills.

CzechAirman 09-25-2011 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 1058847)
How the hell do you know if I can fly a visual or not? Have I ever flown with you? Do you even know who I am?



You are a regional first officer. Therefore, by default, you cannot.

freezingflyboy 09-25-2011 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1059859)
You are a regional first officer. Therefore, by default, you cannot.

Yeah...because that fourth stripe makes you a visual approach god. I have never, in my 5.5 years in the right seat seen a CA mess up a visual one way or another. Riiiiggghhttt... :rolleyes:

In the interest of full disclosure, I've effed up whether I was PIC or SIC. I just have waaaaaay more SIC time :D

cubbies4life 09-25-2011 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1059859)
You are a regional first officer. Therefore, by default, you cannot.

aren't you a 800-1000 hour metro FO?

Al Czervik 09-25-2011 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by cubbies4life (Post 1059893)
aren't you a 800-1000 hour metro FO?

Who do you work for Czech?

SrfNFly227 09-25-2011 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1059821)
I think by virtue of the fact that you claim to be a 2/28/11 hire which means you've probably been on the line at most 4-5 months, the odds of you being able to "walk the walk" are not in your favor and you probably still have a lot to learn. But maybe you are a true "Top Gun", that rare exception of a noob who, when dumped off by approach at 9000 feet on a weird angle to the downwind, can flawlessly execute a superb visual approach that would make Chuck Yeager himself weep in awe of your aviation skills.

I have a lot of problems with this post. You have no idea of his background before becoming a new hire. You make a lot of assumptions and come off like an ass. Take your "I'm better than you" attitude somewhere else and give someone the benefit of the doubt.

tennisguru 09-25-2011 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by SrfNFly227 (Post 1059905)
I have a lot of problems with this post. You have no idea of his background before becoming a new hire. You make a lot of assumptions and come off like an ass. Take your "I'm better than you" attitude somewhere else and give someone the benefit of the doubt.

I wholeheartedly agree. We've had furloughed ATA guys and former Fedex pilots who were newhires here as well. And even if this guy is new to the industry, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt before just ripping into them out of some perceived superiority complex...


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