This is like listening to the weekend pilots at the local FBO argue that their Cessna 172 is better than the other guys Cherokee over their $100 hamburger. Does anyone want to chime in with a high wing vs. low wing debate? That one never gets old either.

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Scram jet...duh.

but dont worry, United is gonna throw all those first class seats on the Q, and soon it will be doing CRJ900 flying, and they will park all the jets!

Because it burns 1/2 as much fuel to go from ORD to HOU in the Q400 compared to a CRJ700!!


But didn't you get the memo, UAL is going to buy GOJET and only let them do any flying more than 15 seats. Next UAL will buy them any airplane they want, and only have the company of gojet hire the pilot and pay them $50/hr FO and $150 CAPT. Only thing the GO JET pilots have to do is kill, cook, and eat a pilot from a respectable competitor, then they pass INDOC.

okay gotcha.. 8 min climb to FL190.. And a total flight time of 35 min to cover 300 miles. or 35+8 to cover 300?

Am I splitting hairs here?

Dont care to respond do u? U sure were quick to talk about my dead friends and now u can't talk??

Because 2 people allowed a plane to stall while on an ILS, then pull back DURING A STALL........2 PEOPLE!!!! TWO...

Explain to me how this ever came to happen???? OH YA, a training department did not fire a captain who should have never made it through upgrade training, and the paper trail shows it.

Colgan should have been sued SO MUCH it went CH 7, end of story. Its sad when you get bought to hide your sorry name, smells like valuejet I mean Airtran.

Too bad that flight wasnt a CAL owned XJ. Bet ya my life it would not have crashed.

Hmm.... CAL didn't own XJT in 2009....

outsider observation, writing "hiding behind your sorry name" is really ironic considering "Wingtips", ie, you, don't sign your full name...

Sounds like EVERYONE on this website. MAYBE the first problem was companies coming in to take CAL regional flying, how many people got woodies over the idea of their regional taking flying from the big bad wolf called XJ. Look what that got everyone!

I am not sticking up for Wintips but his point is that Colgan will be merged with Mesaba as a way to burry the Colgan name and reputation. Airtran changing name from Valujet. The Colgan Crash was an accident induced by many factor most Pilot error. Now are you telling me that below 10,000 ft on every airliner you can hear crickets. Than your airline doesn't have a few guys that have just made it buy. That your airline hasn't hired pilots that barely made standards. Guys welcome to corporate America, it's just going to get worse. The Colgan crew messed up, but it could happen to anyone at any given time.

How do you keep getting it wrong if you work there?

XJT. I would also caution you that regional flying can't be stolen from other regionals, as it isn't their flying in the first place. It's always the mainline pilot's flying. The scope they have determines whether the regional pilots have jobs.

I personally hope that flying doesn't continue to bump around between regionals, and that it goes back to the rightful owners of the flying.

Wouldn't it be funny if United bought Rjet and stapled them to the list. I'm just saying... Weirder things have happened.

U a far the most classless person I have ever read on here. U have no respect. I never once said anything bad about ur airline, and here u are talking crap about it. Ur already disrespectful by talking about what u have. Again, what do my dead friends have to do about fuel burn? I feel really sorry for ur family and friends. But I won't bash ur airline or their pilots. Nobody is better than anyone else on here. It saddens me that u have the typical regional mentality. I feel bad for u.

Your trying to mask a seriously bad company's mistakes because you work there. Then turn it like I am the jerk because I talk about the dead.

That blood is not on MY HANDS, its on CHUCK COLGANS, and your the one who is wrong trying to defend COLGAN. If you cared about them you would not be trying to say it could be ANY company, and it was not COLGANS fault.

Hey Wingtip! Here one for you! In the last 2 months;

Eagle landed and blew all 4 main (crew pumped the paring brake in flight)
XJT decided to try soft field landings in an ERJ
TSA reference post above
Colgan tried to expand their network by exploring new airports.


I am an Eagle FO, who do you work for. No one out there is exempt from mistakes, please stop doing what you are doing this on this forum because you are just aiding on the demise of our profession. Now, tonight PAN AM start maybe you can watch that and live your dreams in the couch because those days are long gone and we as pilots are not helping bring them back by doing many of the things we are doing today. We have an amazing profession, but we need to savor it and looks for ways to improve it and not continue the decline. So please stop.

You made a really good point and I will gladly do so. Thank you, this industry needs more.

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I can't understand why all of you keep defending the colgan crash? No it could not happen to anyone. You put two people who lack the basic skills to monitor airspeed/ hand fly a plane and that's what can happen. If I had lost any family members on that flight I would of been furious! It was almost 100% pilot error and a perfectly good airplane.

Yep, because airline crashes are never human error, its always in a plane that isn't 100% perfect. Are you serious? Look at how many "legacy" accidents have happened with experienced crews in a perfectly good airplane. It was a series of errors that led to the accident, just like almost every other crash that has happened at ANY AIRLINE. Was there a lack of training, yes, but to act like this is the first time it has happened in the airline industry is plain stupid an naive.

in before the lock...

all airlines got ridiculous mistakes/accidents on their resumes. russian airline pilots let their kids fly. nwa pilots fly drunk. colgan slows to stall speed minus 20 knots. continental takes off with zero flaps and talks about the FA's swimming suit area. southwest uses 6500 feet on a 5500 feet runway. heck, nasa takes off below the minimum temp limitation and the whole friggin plane exploded after launch. what is your point? i dont know why the colgan crew continually gets run through the mud. let the poor guy rest.

so it too me a while to type/submit this. in that time, b 200 hawk beat me to the point. he was just far more eloquent.

What about the two idiots that took off out of CVG to IAH a few years ago, with a load of ice on the wings and five people trying to tell them that. yet the crew went anyways, and almost lost it on T/O using all the runway and barely holding on, on takeoff. The Capt. was only downgraded to FO, and the FO kept his job. The Capt. is on this board. But I agree Colgan is a crap company, but get off your high horse.

What airline does Wingtips work for? I can take one guess and I bet I would be right.