Death Spiral for Republic
 

ouch, maybe that BB CEO can pray his way out!


Republic Airways is in a Death Spiral (RJET, LUV & UAL)

The current market cap is just above $140 million. Even with all of the debt RJET, or at least its pieces, is worth more than that. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see RJET bought out and then broken up. The current business plan is unsustainable. They're already drawing down in Milwaukee. Denver cannot continue to support three airlines and I don't see UCAL or SWA going away anytime soon. BB knows how to run a fee-for-departure airline but throw in those things like paying for your own fuel, marketing, scheduling, etc. and he's in way over his head.

Well that article was encouraging. :eek:

I just saw a re-run of that undercover ceo show the other night. Was my first time seeing it. Mr. Bedford ain't right. The fact he did such a dumb reality show for the money and profiled his massive castle like home, evangelical lifestyle, and large family that I doubt he has much time for speaks volumes. What a F'ing odd ball.

Death Spiral? So that's why I'm dizzy all the time!!!

Why does having a big home, large family, and being "evangelical" make one an odd ball? Or is this just an opportunity for you to insult Christians?

I feel for the Frontier Guys and Gals but the bunch that jumped in on Mid West flying and took our Brothers and Sisters seats, GOOD...lmao hope you enjoy watching your 190,s going back to the creditor...More of you ALPA guys need to start speaking up about this and stop hiding in the shadows worrying about moderators and the Jumpseat

hey, on second thought maybe they'll get to take the flying from the guys on that new show PAN AM

HMP,

Many pilots have large families, but they are spread out between 3 wives, who each may live in the aforementioned "large houses," but the pilot them-self sends child support and alimony from an address in a Marina where they sneakily (yet still proudly) live on the last vestige of former luxury: a medium sized powerboat. As for the evangelical statements, asking a pilot to adopt an ideology that would have us focus our attention on another entity, while remaining humble at all times... well, that pretty much directly contradicts our nature! In conclusion, it isn't that what Bedford has/does that is wrong, its just that it may seem very strange, foreign, and perhaps unrelatable to our ilk.

Haha. You said "ilk"! Don't get to use that often in a sentence, do you?!?!

Karma has just about gone full circle for Republic.

Duvie, thanks as that did make me lol. To XJT, I think you need a vacation( and a girlfriend, perhaps?).

Not only are there too many rjs; there are too many people like you.

And did you also know there is a special place in hell for those that wish ill will towards other pilots that had no say in what their dirt bag management team does?!? I would LOVE to see what a big mouth like XJT would have personally done if he found himself in the same scenario that the Republic guys had dropped on them...

Of course he would have done his job. Why is it that pilots feel they are exempt from the same market forces that affect every other business under the sun? It's curious. It's not your flying nor is it mine. It's theirs. And they can expand it, shrink it, or shut it down any time they want. They can buy assets and sell them whenever they like. I've been burned by acquisitions twice in my career and have no illusions those won't be the last. There's a whole lot more change coming to our profession in my humble opinion.

The solution to RAH's death spiral is simple... power to idle, ailerons neutral, rudder full in opposite direction of rotation, yoke forward to break the stall.... DUHHHH

I think because a lot of 'evangelical' people have a bad rap with manipulation (Benny Hinn/Pat Robertson/Joel Osteen, to name a few) All suck up peoples money so they can live the good life

Of course a lot of the politicians and union leaders (Chicago Labor Chief draws a city pension of $157,752 for a job that paid him $15,264, Chicago Tribune, 9/25) who manipulate the taxpayer and suck up all the money so they can live a good life...they must all be Christians!

An expressjet guy on the sidelines sitting on his high horse? Gee, ive never seen that before....

ExpressJet was soooo 2004. I wonder if he knows Express is no longer owned by CAL and that they're the redheaded step child of SkyWest.

you named 3 out of hundreds of millions. wouldnt say that qualifies as ALOT. that small of a percentage isnt even worthy of a stereotype. thats just dumb.

I swear, everytime I'm down at B22 at ORD and walk up to the Mcdonalds by B8...I see the Tribune and Chicago Scum-Times in the machines with some scandall on the front page about some public "servant" in hot water over bilking money from the system.

I don't know who Benny Hinn is and I'm not a fan of Pat Robertson, but Joel Osteen seems like a pretty decent guy to me and I've never heard/read anything that suggests he's doing anything underhanded.

They probably are! All good politicians use religion so it takes longer for people to realize what scum they really are

His wife assaulted a flight attendant while flying in "first class". You know how those spoiled rich texas folk get when they don't get their way!

And that Colgan with the mighty Q will rule the commuter world.

You're probably right. Burns less than half of what those 145s burn and seat 24 more pax (not so bad with the price of oil these days, heck even taking some flying out of IAD from you boys. on the flip side, we can also bid across equipment from Saabs-Q's-CRJ 2-900 not too bad for those with SJS here.

Can new hires bid across equipment?

Those of us who can't, appreciate the cross-bidding. :)

Once your seatlock is up

What does the Q burn per hour TOTAL (NOT PER ENGINE) in cruise flight?

Roughly 2600 lbs/hr.

Do u feel bigger bringing up my dead friends when ur talking about fuel burn , do u???????? What did that comment accomplish?

And how much is the burn in the 20+ min climb up to cruise? I don't think you can claim that the 145 burns the same as the Q in the 300-350nm radius market.

I think that market is going to cars. It is not 2000-2007. The ERJ on the 300 mile flight goes to 19k, and takes 8 minutes to get there. It burns about 3000/pbs hr in cruise at 19k. Gets there in 35 min. Burns like 2300 pds total.

Agreed. It was low-rent and had nothing to do with the discussion. The buffalo accident could have occured in any type of aircraft including a ERJ.

Define WAY faster?

I have heard the ERJ is often weight restricted, how about the Q?

depends which, if they have the heavy weight mod then no they rarely are.

Well can the Q go from EWR to BOS at FL190 at 320 KTs indicated, get to cruise in 10 min, and offer the joy of a jet.

I think you are wrong about that market going to cars. Maybe trains if they ever get a good rail system.

Not sure if I'm tired, but how did you get 8 minutes to fly 300 miles?

8 minutes at climb thrust TO GET TO FL190, its about 39min total flight time to the destination. That burns maybe 3500 pds hr, then at that point we cruise along at 2900/lb hour and 320 kts.