Paidpnuts:

I guess that depends on how the question is asked on your application. Based on my understanding of what you are saying:

"Have you ever been charged with DUI" - that seems like you would have to answer yes.
"Have you ever been CONVICTED of DUI" - that seems like you could answer no.

That being said, you should be able to get a copy of your motor vehicle history and be able to see exactly what it says.

Only time I really drink is when I'm not driving. I drive 99% of the time because like a typical pilot, we rather be behind the controls lol do I feel missed out at times?? Yea but you'll get over it. Even having one drink and driving an hour later, I don't see that as being worth risking career over it.

Now making 20k first year on regional after 120k loan and other various sacrifices??? I'm surprised there aren't any "hits" out for upper management. I know 20k a year makes it difficult to hire a hitman but if we all chip in 10 bucks a month....

Engrish?

I was convicted of DUI almost ten years ago. Most regionals want to see a Canadian waiver before you get hired. That said, I was hired without one and just told not to bid Canada.

As for the future of my career, I'm optimistic. I made a stupid mistake my freshman year of College, but I've kept my nose clean since. I'm not very competitive these days, but hopefully that changes in the next five to seven years.

I don't get it... You need help reading??

I'm very surprised nobody has brought this up yet: many DUI charges these days are turned into "diversions" which are deferred adjudications cases. This means if you follow a prescribed alcohol rehab program (classes, fines, etc), after a year with no other bad behavior the charges are essentially dropped. The arrest record still exists and many airlines/military are now asking "have you ever been part of a pre-trial diversion or other deferred adjudication program?" These questions are designed to get to know you without disqualifying for you

The important part is that Canada won't know anything about it....

While driving, the exhaust gets left behind the car...that's why the exhaust-pipe is in the back.

If you are parked, and the winds are just right or none at all enough exhaust can get into the car to kill you but it would take the right conditions and a long time. It has happened.

If I stop for a nap on the road I either turn it off, or it's too hot/cold I point the nose into the wind.

What company is that, I can't get anyone to bend that rule for me.

It's a basically a money grab by Canada and they have that right to do so, If you want to play you have to pay!

It would have to be a real bottom-feeder...many US pilots dislike canada, so the trips tend to go junior. This means the company would have to circumvent their seniority system to keep you south of the border, which could have union ramifications.

I don't understand, at our company there were plenty of people that couldn't go to Canada, they just put someone else that could on the schedule. What's the big deal at Skywest with not hiring people that can't go there?

And to the original poster I know a recent Skywest hire that had a DUI within 5 years. He fought it, like everyone should, and I believe now it just shows up as an arrest in his records.

Seniority? You obviously don't understand how that works yet.

A senior pilot should have to fly a crappy canada trip because a junior pilot was irresponsible in his past?

Canada made this rule up only a few years ago, so all airlines probably got stuck with a few pilots who could not go north. They could have fired them, but they worked around the issue instead. But it makes no sense to knowingly hire pilots who arre going to be an operatioanlly limited and require special handling for years or forever.

I don't mind my airline hiring pilots who had a DUI in their distant past. But I don't want my airline hiring pilots junior to me who have operational limitations...I already paid my dues (well most of them), I don't want to have to pay them again because somebody junior to me can't.

If we were talking Paris instead of Edmonton it wouldn't be an issue.


That's what you have to do...get it reduced to something which is not a felony-equivalent in canada.

A DUI means you will have an uphill battle with the recruiters regardless. But if you can't enter canada, it's no-go

Well since it's going to take another 2 years to get my waiver, I decided I'm going to find a 135 outfit and get my 1000 PIC, skip the regionals and go to the majors.

I am sorry to inform you but majors are not waiting for you to obtain 1,000 hrs Turbine PIC so they can hire you, JetBlue doesn't even require 1,000 hrs Turbine PIC (last I saw) because they want to look at the overall person. You do understand that you will be competing with thousands of other pilots who have the coveted 1,000 hrs Turbine PIC, most of these individuals will have thousands of hrs in transport category aircraft in a 121 environment. When Delta, SWA and JetBlue have opened their hiring windows in year past they have received over 10,000 resumes/applications. You will need to be able to make it past the filters and a DUI might not allow you to do so. You seem to have a diverse background and a fairly competitive resume, but the competition at the majors will be fierce! And unfortunately you will probably deal with the same issue over and over. Go read the Colgan E-mail thread, this is working agains you.

Make sure that you go to a place where you can be for a long time. Not a place just to get 1,000 hrs Turbine PIC.

Speeding around blind corners, driving home on 5 beers, operating an aircraft without enough rest, the list goes on.... basically, we've all done things that *could* have hurt somebody if our luck went sour. Of course there is a difference between trying to limp home buzzed and driving with a fifth in your system, but be reasonable here guys. Just because somebody got a DUI doesn't make them a menace to society.

If you haven't been irresponsible in your past, I feel sorry for ya.... thats not living :-) That said, most of us have decisions we regret, just get on with life and do what you can to rectify the situation. Most of our records would be much spottier if we had a camera on us 24/7, so kindly get down off that high horse.

I'm fully aware of the uphill battle, and well aware of filters. Fortunately, "who you know" can bypass filters. I'm shooting for it, even if I don't make it, all the wrok that I put trying to get to the majors will likely land me a job somewhere else.

Yup..don't give up. Sounds like what has some skeletons in his closet too.

my 2 cents...
 

sometimes the pursuit of a dream
can be more rewarding then the dream itself !

Whatever the outcome I wish you good luck FP

Ha! You're a real piece of work.

I don't know how it's done at a Skywest, but here at Pinnacle, Crew Scheduling will jus swap out a Canada over night or a turn for another one that's about equal. The person who gets stuck with the flight will be paid the greater of the 2.. What's the big big deal?

There's a reason most Canada trips at SkyW are the most junior.... With the exception of Vancouver and Victoria, most everyone avoids trips there from Sept thru April. As a previous poster said, it would be bypassing seniority.

My choice to work at SKW had a lot to do with geography...every 4-day gets me generally one overnight at home with my small child. And I don't live in Edmonton. That's a HUGE deal

Get it?

Maybe PNCL has fantastic overnights in dowtown montreal, with a strip club in the basement of the hotel but other than Vancounver (which are generally pretty short) all the canada overnights suck. And canada sucks if you need to use your phone or internet.

I was seated on a jury in Texas regarding a DWI case. All the prosecution had to prove according to TX law was that the person was in the vehicle in a public place and had a BAC at or above .08. Semantics of course but endless testimony about "public" and the assertion is that the car did not get there by itself.

They don't have to show access to keys. You're the only one there (Even if your buddies bailed on you), your BAC is above the TX legal limit, and the car is in a public place. That's exactly what happened - cops rolled up to the parking lot, did the field test and breathalyzer, and arrested the perp. Turns out this was the 3rd offense which in TX is a felony.

We were getting ready to go to the jury room to discuss, when the defendant pleaded. Took 5 years in a federal prison rather than take his chances with our decision.

I guess it's different for us then. We can have a mix of Canada turns or overnight even with our 28 hrs 4 day 20 hrs 3 day or 15 hrs 2 day.
For Example: 4 day Trip worth 27 HRS, Report at about 8 am and get done at 4:30PM on the last day with a 13:45 hrs in YYZ. With customs pay that comes out to almost 27:30 pay.

FR 4144 DTW-CID 0852 0930 138 137 45
FR 4144 CID-DTW 1015 1253 138 135 108
FR 4196 DTW-LAN 1401 1443 42 43 27
FR 4361 LAN-MSP 1510 1558 148 145 139
FR 4333 MSP-YYZ 1737 2045 208 203 754 0 743 0 1308 YYZ 1345
D-END: 2100L (NR 900) REPT: 1045L

SA 4196 YYZ-DTW 1115 1233 118 121 125
SA 4137 DTW-YUL 1358 1544 146 145 29
SA 4137 YUL-DTW 1613 1815 202 202 142
SA 4225 DTW-FWA 1957 2053 56 56 602 0 604 0 1023 FWA 930
D-END: 2108L (RR 900) REPT: 0638L

SU 4323 FWA-ATL 0708 0854 146 154 41
SU 4010 ATL-SBN 0935 1127 152 152 31
SU 4040 SBN-DTW 1158 1302 104 103 231
SU DH 4275 DTW-MQT 1533 1659 126 126 CRJ 442 126 615 0 1036 MQT 1245
D-END: 1714L (CR 1200) REPT: 0559L

MO 4286 MQT-DTW 0629 0749 120 118 50
MO 3755 DTW-SBN 0839 0935 56 56 25
MO 4247 SBN-ATL 1000 1153 153 158 42
MO 4368 ATL-FWA 1235 1415 140 148 134
MO 3912 FWA-DTW 1549 1650 101 58 650 0 658 1 1106
D-END: 1705L --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 2528 DHD 126 CREDIT 2700 T.A.F.B. 8113

Man, I just spit my coffee all over the place laughing at that one! Just go over to Loftes in SLC and then report back! LMAO:D

how/why were the Feds involved? Just curious.

It was the third offense for DWI/DUI in Texas. 3rd time (after two convictions) in the Lone Star State is an automatic felony. Hence, Huntsville federal prison - the location of Ole Sparky, and the elctric chair museum (not kidding about that!). When the judge excused the jury (us) he told us what the plea deal was. Guy opted for 5 years. In Texas the jury also sets the penalty so he was probably thinking he was going to get more from the jury.

Yup. Very different. For the most part, those parings you showed would go junior at SW. Not sure why. They seem to pay ok. But east of Denver and north of Jackson Hole is generally a junior trip. There are exceptions for certain cities and times of year.

To the DUI guy. Good luck. We all make mistakes. Take your lumps and keep trying.

Uh, you do not go to federal prison for a state crime...

Also, NO ONE is getting 5 years, even for a 3rd DUI offense. You need to seriously injure or kill someone to get 5 years.

Your story is full of holes......

Actually from what i have heard, Canada has one of the best internet connections compared to US hotels. I have an overnight this weekend in Winnipeg, I will confirm on that report.

I always have trouble with the internet in Canada. Halifax was OK, but YYZ, YQM, YQB have all sucked.

In Canada they can show boobies on the internet after 9pm.

It should be the best, since it costs $17 canadian.

But don't ever try your wireless data card with Rogers.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Well, Canada just sucks period!

Male or Female? ;)

Hell, don't have to cross borders? Crap im gona go out and get one then might just save my life. No Mexico overnights.

You are right, somebody can be a menace to society without ever getting a DUI, they can also drive drunk and kill somebody without ever having had a DUI. There should be zero tolerance for DUI, it's not unluck or accident that leads to the DUI, it's sheer irresponsibility.

True story:

Back in the early 2000's, a friend of a friend got a DUI on a PINK BARBIE POWER WHEELS!! He was in a fraternity, had too much to drink at a frat party, and was riding this power wheels around the yard/driveway/street of the frat house. Campus cop gave him a DUI. Is he an irresponsible menace to society? Should be be banned from professional employment for the rest of his life?

I bet he could have fought it in court. That's ludicrous.

I never knew the outcome of that, but I'm sure he did. Point is, not all DUI charges are the be-all end-all judgment of one's character or responsibility.

Well I guess thank god your not the judge cuz I'd be **** out of luck the rest of my life.