If the program includes an interview at Delta, then yes, they are entitled to an interview and should feel as such.

Hah, oh wow. Now this is getting laughable. Maybe I'm assuming too much here, but am I wrong to guess that you are not currently not in 121 environment? Anyone flying at any level of the airline world would realize just how many great pilots (and extremely qualified) are out there. To actually believe that someone with zero airline experience should be entitled to an interview at Delta is just going too far.

When you refer to "waiting" you actually mean gaining valuable 121 turbine experience right?

If Delta is a party to the program and the program includes an interview, then the candidate is entitled to said interview and should feel as such.

What is "brilliant" is this ploy by UND to increase enrollment which will result in graduates leaving the program over 100k in debt so they can fly a Barbie Fun Jet for chump change.

(and yes, I flew the BFJ too)

Can't tell if your serious or not. As a UND grad who did the CRJ course, it's a great program, but totally unnecessary for an airline employment. You paid $4000 to learn to fly someone else's jet. I'm still paying it off today and will continue to do so for many years. Put your UND kool-aid down and go grab yourself a $1 pitcher.

Are you calling the candidates advanced college jet classes and simulator time not valuable? The candidate is monitored from the beginning for proficiency and compliance with program rules.

You have yet to answer if you have done these or are even in the 121 world. If you were you would know that you wouldnt have to do this useless nonsense if you actually had exeprience. Those programs are complete crap and again are not leVel D sims. The classes are good for knowledge, yes but the end result is you get someone in the seat next to you why things are going wrong rather than actually fixing the problem trough their flying experience. Slightly embellished but hopefully, actually doubtful, youll get the point

It's not valuable because while going thru the program you don't have the experience and knowledge to know what you are doing. You are just going thru the motions pushing buttons and making calls and doing flows. It will bring no value to what is hopefully a couple years of CFI-ing before you can go to ASA. Ask the UND spectrum students how their deal turned. I'm sure the Delta interview board will sniff these pilots out and overlook them for the many many more experienced pilots that will be available to choose from.

I'd like to hear you talk some more about the "brilliant design by all" in terms of risk and reward for each participant.

Here's my quicktake:

Student: Risks ~$150K to prepare for a VERY narrow window of opportunity in a highly cyclical industry. If there are no jobs available (market shrinking) at graduation then the student takes on full financial risk without competitive tangible skills elsewhere in the industry. How long does it take to reach salary/student loan breakeven? Here's a calculator to help with the math (scroll down):
Airline Pilot Central - Handling College Loan Repayment

Financially, it would be a much much better choice to attend a tech school to become a plumber.

University: Risk is marketing to enough students to keep the college viable, very little long term exposure other than long term debt on operating assets. Shoulders zero responsibility to the student should they not get hired.

Airline: Zero risk to sign an agreement to offer conditional employment. The airlines can change the conditions on a whim to make graduates fall below the threshold of being competitive.


In another post you mentioned academic classes and simulators that teach how to start a jet engine. While those classes might be fine, keep in mind that they don't produce qualified and proficient airmen. There are currently thousands and thousands of qualified, high-time, experienced pilots on the sidelines because they don't want to fly for poverty wages. For you to throw a turd like this out for discussion and then sing it's praises is an insult.