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Ellen 10-10-2006 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 67977)
Oh great, Ellens back repeating the same posts in every thread... What did we ever do without her:rolleyes: Im starting to think Ellen=Duane Woerth?

You guessed it . . . Duane Woerth a.k.a. Maf54

And if you understand the reference, you are more intelligent than I give you credit for.

SkyWestPilot1 10-10-2006 10:20 AM

If I were in your shoes I would spend more time evaluating WHAT company one should go to work for based on: FINANCIALS (Income, balance sheet, cash flow), BUSINESS PLAN, GROWTH (Past, current and future), TRACK RECORD OF MANAGEMENT, ON-GOING STRATEGY/TACTICS, EMPLOYEE MORAL, etc.

This is a perfect example of commen cents, and btw the exact reason I only applied at SkyWest way back when. I really didn't think this thread would go anywhere after the 2nd post was written. I thought that pretty well summed it up. Oh and btw I have worked for a union in the past, what did I learn? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Ellen 10-10-2006 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by SkyWestPilot1 (Post 68019)
If I were in your shoes I would spend more time evaluating WHAT company one should go to work for based on: FINANCIALS (Income, balance sheet, cash flow), BUSINESS PLAN, GROWTH (Past, current and future), TRACK RECORD OF MANAGEMENT, ON-GOING STRATEGY/TACTICS, EMPLOYEE MORAL, etc.

This is a perfect example of commen cents, and btw the exact reason I only applied at SkyWest way back when. I really didn't think this thread would go anywhere after the 2nd post was written. I thought that pretty well summed it up. Oh and btw I have worked for a union in the past, what did I learn? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Thanks SkyWestPilot1, at least someone isn't belly-aching. It always amazes me how many people blame their problems, situations, et el on others, vs. taking responsibility for their own actions. It is apparent that you took responsibility for your actions by leaving an ALPA carrier to join a non-ALPA carrier in SkyWest. I'm sure that was part of your decision but definitely not the only reasons. It is interesting though, that on this bafflegab site, how many people believe the rhetoric of Organized Labor vs. actually doing an in-depth analysis of the company they want to work for.

Sling a resume here, sling one there, . . . whichever one sticks is where I will go. . . seems to be the attitude around these forums. Remember folks, you are interviewing your employer as much as they are interviewing you.

Everyone wants to go to a SWA, a UPS or a FDX, (because of pay and equipment only) but quite frankly, many of you wouldn't even get a call if you had the time, and the majority wouldn't make it through the Human Resources part of the interview. These companies hire educated, humble and quality candidates. Many are so skilled at hiring their pilots (by weeding out the riff raff )that they can offer great pay, benefits and job security, because they only have to hire and train once. I would also have to place SkyWest in that category at this time. Their corporate culture breeds excellence, and those that chose to achieve it will be gone. That is why they are the envy of others (both airlines and pilots).

I have talked to many SWA and SKYW pilots, and it has seems amazing how the majority of pilots mutually agree that these two companies KNOW what they are doing in the airline business world. SWA pilots give SKYW kudos and vice versa. IT's crazy that these two airlines started in 1971 and 1972 respectively. By all means this is not to say that others don't, but it it is most apparent between these two.

In addition, Southwest's Herbert (Herb) D. Kelleher - Executive Chairman of the Board, Gary Kelly - Vice Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer,Colleen Barrett - President, have said that if they were to start an airline they would do it how SKYW is doing it. SWA, itself, has even looked into the possibility of operating the CRJ700 and CRJ900. What do you think that would do to the airline environment? I have my ideas.

freezingflyboy 10-10-2006 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 67999)
You guessed it . . . Duane Woerth a.k.a. Maf54

And if you understand the reference, you are more intelligent than I give you credit for.

I don't get the reference. I guess I am just a dumb pilot. Ellen is right again...:rolleyes:

bla bla bla 10-10-2006 12:00 PM

"Thanks SkyWestPilot1, at least someone isn't belly-aching. It always amazes me how many people blame their problems, situations, et el on others, vs. taking responsibility for their own actions.

O wise ellen... Sounds like you are "belly-aching" as much as any one else. So SWA has a union right? Looks like they are getting screwed. Same with FedEx, Netjets, oh and UPS.
With all your wisdom, and understanding of cash flow statements, please tell me what prepaid expenses skywest has been spending there money on. How does that increase 117 million, 210,000 thousand in one quarter? (http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...eport=2&freq=1)
Sounds like to me you have more experience on the management side, so please enlighten us.
Just doing an indepth analysis of the company I work for, like you sugessted.

Ellen 10-10-2006 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by bla bla bla (Post 68067)
Sounds like to me you have more experience on the management side, so please enlighten us.
Just doing an indepth analysis of the company I work for, like you sugessted.


Excellent bla bla bla. Maybe others will follow your lead too in looking at their company's financials. Look at some of the other's too. As far as experience, let's just say I have more than just flying a plane.

bla bla bla 10-10-2006 08:05 PM

ellen, you have yet to answer my question. What was that 117 million 120,000 spent on?
Its great skywest is making so much money. My point is skywest has more room for a pay increase than most know. Looks to me like regardless of our performance, management has a set percentage figured in i.e. quarterly profit's. Anything extra can be send to prepay on engine overhauls or whatever it is spent on. Also a huge tax savings. There is nothing wrong with this. But I know too many guys on first year pay living on food stamps.

Ellen 10-10-2006 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by bla bla bla (Post 68207)
ellen, you have yet to answer my question. What was that 117 million 120,000 spent on?

They are called airplanes. The things that they buy so you can fly.

But enough of the bashing from my end. It's good that you are looking and questioning. Here is another link for you to look at. http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...6557&Type=HTML

A good board to look on is Yahoo Finance and type in the stock code of your favorite or least favorite airline. Examples include: SKYW, MESA, RJET (Republic . . Chq, et el) , MAIR (Mesaba), XJT (Express Jet), this is just a small list. You can then go to their financials and read anything you ever want to know. Just click the links. Lots of good information.

Ellen 10-14-2006 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Fishing (Post 67353)
My biggest complaint with ALPA is that for years they have not paid real attention to the regionals, and now that is where much of the mainline narrowbody flying is at half the pay rates. And don't just accept the "union is you" response, look at Delta vs. ComAir vs. ASA, it's all ALPA. I'm not smart enough to know what the fix is, but I don't think ALPA has figured it out either, and a little competition and embarassment might bring some focus to this area of the industry.

I will go back to my orginal point exactly how are you going to be best represented?

I know, did you hear? ALPA is on a big union drive now at SKYW so management is forced by law to halt all pay talks for however long ALPA decides to continue the union drive. My friend told me somewhere around a year they want to run the drive. Seems to me, that if ALPA needs to take over a year, then they are not too organized for an organized labor group. What could Teamsters do at SKYW? Any thoughts from those that are represented by Teamsters

RedeyeAV8r 10-14-2006 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 69265)
I know, did you hear? ALPA is on a big union drive now at SKYW so management is forced by law to halt all pay talks for however long ALPA decides to continue the union drive. My friend told me somewhere around a year they want to run the drive. Seems to me, that if ALPA needs to take over a year, then they are not too organized for an organized labor group. What could Teamsters do at SKYW? Any thoughts from those that are represented by Teamsters

Completely False. When FedexALPA 1 was on the property during contract negotiations, FedEX MGT instituted a pay raise (Although it was slight) as well as instituting 200% overtime (although temporarily)

That type of talk is ususally MGT hype and PR designed to disillusion the Pilots into voting against UNION representation.

There is NO law that says MGT must suspend pay talks when Union organising is in progress. The bottom line is Skywest MGT does not want a union on property. The fact that the union organising effort is in progress at SKW is proof that SKW MGT failed to treat its pilots equitably. SKW MGT will now start the Anti Union PR campaign telling myths and half truths designed to disuade the Pilots from establishing a UNION.

Bottom line......it is the SKW pilots call. My opinion is that you would be better served by a UNION, but again that is just my opinion, You SKW pilots hold the cards on the Union VOTE.


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