Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1098371)

I know that it is not my fault and not my problem that the passenger does not have a seat.

Originally Posted by LostInPA (Post 1098414)

... if everyone has been accommodated and taking a jumpseat would allow a buddy pass or non-jumpseat capable nonrev to get on, I'll definitely do it if there's no one trying to get the actual jumpseat.

Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1098434)

I don't even know what to say to that one. Selfishness at its ugliest. Like I said, if you're so confident that you are "in the right", please go tell the passengers that same thing.



Amen.

Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 1098087)

You are damn right its a privelidge, so stop abusing it by blocking guys from getting to work or home... The same guys that extend the jumpseat privilege to you guys, but actually leave the seats open rather then fill them up to help your company out. WAKE UP!!!!

Originally Posted by ridered (Post 1098450)

I have commuted for 15+ yrs and have always known that paying pax come FIRST then employees based on seniority then nonrevs....... If I need to sit on the JS to get a customer on then so be it

Originally Posted by F9 320 (Post 1098427)

I have been commuting for about sixteen years now, using many different airlines including quite a few that are no longer in business. I even had a Delta Capt. buy me a pass in order to get me on. This was when they first allowed jumpseating even by their own.

The thing we have to remember here is that the jumpseat belongs to the company. It has been Frontiers position in the past that deadheading crew members will occupy the jumpseats in order to accommodate as many revenue passengers as possible. Frontier is not the first nor the last airline to take this position.

That being said, FAPA ( Which is alive, well and recognized by the Department of Transportation, Labor, and the IRS among others. ) worked with Frontier mid contract to loosen those rules, in part due to the longer and more frequent deadheads.

As has been said there is always going to be the 1% that go against grain. Many of them I call friends, and each has a different reason. I have got my own stories of being snubbed from the RAH side, but I still do all I can to get every jumpseater aboard regardless of who they work for. I have stepped on the toes of gate agents, asked if crew members would move to allow someone on, and rode on the flight attendant jumpseat, all to get jumpseaters on board.

With regard to the lanyard you can wear it if you want to, you will still get a welcome on board my flight. However if it was me asking for a ride I would elect to reduce exposure to something the crew might find offensive.

Originally Posted by F9 320 (Post 1098427)

With regard to the lanyard you can wear it if you want to, you will still get a welcome on board my flight. However if it was me asking for a ride I would elect to reduce exposure to something the crew might find offensive.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1098437)

Why would I do that? What the hell is a matter with you? I'm not going to apologize to a passenger for working. Deadheading is working.

Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1098470)

I didn't say to apologize. Why would I ask you to apologize when you're unapologetic? What's wrong with you? I meant something along the lines of "Hello - I just wanted to explain that I know you're getting stranded here. The reason for that is that you would get on this flight if I took the jumpseat, but I don't feel like doing that because the company overbooked the flight and it's not my problem to fix that." Just some words straight from the previous statement - no apologies, just an explanation, much like you might give your passengers if you had to hold, or go around. If you truly believe in the ethics of your position on this matter, you should have no problem doing them that courtesy.

Our contract says the following: "Pilots Deadheading to, or as part of, an assignment shall travel positive space (Must Ride) and have seats reserved in advance by the Company. Pilots may elect to sit in a cockpit jumpseat if all of the seats in thecabin are filled with positive space revenue passengers or other Deadheading crew members." That said, we are operating at record load factors, in a tough revenue environment, in a business beset with flight cancellations, rebookings, irregular operations, weather-induced problems, sick calls, etc. Deliberately overbooked flights are the exception, not the rule.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1098517)

It's no different than buying a ticket on an oversold flight and then not volunteering to give up your seat when the agent asks for volunteers.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1098517)

I was bumped by a positive space crew member on United once. I was in the jumpseat when the agent expected one of the many positive space crewmembers to take the jumpseat. Long story short. Three male pilots said no and the one female pilot wearing jeans (against jumpseat dress code) said yes. I didn't get on.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1098517)

Luckily I don't work for Frontier so I don't have to deal with this. At my airline I can book the jumpseat in advance. Our FOM specifically says I get on the jumpseat before a deadheader if I booked it. It was written that way by pilots for pilots. When deadheading at my airline, I check in at a kiosk or online and never even talk to the gate agent. I am never asked to give up my seat so I never have to say no. Different cultures I guess.

Originally Posted by ridered (Post 1098450)

I have commuted for 15+ yrs and have always known that paying pax come FIRST then employees based on seniority then nonrevs....... If I need to sit on the JS to get a customer on then so be it