RAH Strike Vote
 

Results of the election are as follows:

% return 98.86
Yes 99.25%
No 0.75%

Over 74% voted on the first day of the election.

Here's to hoping we get released in the next 10 years. It's a baby step in the lonnnnnnnnng process.

Proud of our group.

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Well done with the vote guys. Seriously awesome. Any idea of when a release may happen? I didn't even realize you were in mediation yet

No clue when/if we'd get released. The mediator is seeing how the company has no interest in negotiating, so there's a chance we may get released, but who knows. It doesn't happen too often.

99% participation and 99% in favor. Wow.

That is one ticked off group.

ASA voted yes. Two years later we still never got released. The pilots finally took it into their own hands and flew EXACTLY the FOM, no more no less. If its broken write it up, no matter where you are.
2 weeks later we had a TA.

Nice job guys! I hope you get to walk, or BB pays up.

RAH feeds 4 legacy carriers and a the mediator is going to release them to self help???

And the moon is made of blue cheese pigs can fly etc etc etc

Always with the negative waves...

Maybe, maybe not. You going to honor the line if they are released? Some of your yo-talking compadres say they won't.

If it EVER happens, frontier will either be separate or gone. Good luck though...

That is evading the question

I'm with Hetman on this, why not wish them well? We all get it, f9 and RAH hasn't been a 'match made in heaven' but come on. You have a pilot group that has a horrible contract and is trying to improve it. Instead of making some snide remark, come up with something productive to say. I'm sure for about 98% of the RAH guys they understand they're not going to be released anytime soon. They feel this was the next best step in regards to their management not coming to the table with anything to improve their four sections.

Pilots are always talking about groups either 'raising/lowering the bar'. RAH certainly hasn't raised it anytime lately but don't you think this might be step in the right direction. It would not surprise me to see RAH get more support from other groups besides f9, which is truely unfortunate. I for one hope the RAH pilot group doesn't have to even worry about a strike but if that's what happens; I'll see you in DEN or IND or where ever. Save a sign for me.

I can't believe the RLA hasn't been repealed yet... so rediculously one-sided towards management... ALPA should just strike release or not... what are they going to do, fire everyone? there aren't enough pilots left to fill those gaps... it's time the government let unions actually fight for their representatives instead of letting management do whatever they want to "protect essential services"

Tool of the day....just some washed up F9 pilot who couldn't get hired at a major.

Well, I'm Thankful to have a job. I'm thankful that we have the freedom of expression, brought to us by the brave men and women that have fought and died for us for years and are currently deployed to awful places putting their lives at risk to continue to protect our rights and safety.

Stop and think about the young men and women that are at a FOB, never knowing when they will be attacked, forced to kill or be killed, then compare it to where you're sitting today.

Think about the number of people that don't have anything close to what we have or the people that are in hospitals this evening. It could be a lot worse and today seems like a good day to cut everyone a break.

I wish everyone the best of luck in their careers, regardless of where they work or how different their opinions may be from my own.

Constant bickering, attacking, comparing what we have to that of others, takes more effort than trying to find common ground. Finding common ground is also infinitely more peaceful and has a chance of bringing satisfaction and happiness than always going for the negative aspect of life, love and career.

I'm ecstatic that the thread, "RAH: "The start of a new direction..." has finally moved to page two, if just for today.

Peace.

As a Frontier pilot, this question concerns me, not because of what Frontier pilots will do but what "native" Republic pilots will expect. I would like to here your definition of "honor". I am happy to show my support for the betterment of another pilot group. I am concerned that some of the natives believe that F9 pilots should strike with them (if/when the "natives" strike). This shows no understanding of airline labor law.

Can someone at the IBT tell us what is expected of United, Delta, US Airways, and Frontier pilots if the RAH pilots strike? What is expected by other pilot groups represented by the IBT?

It's called walking the line and showing your support. Doesn't matter that you're not under the same CBA. You can still participate on your days off or anytime you're not working.

Once again, it's not mainline's CBA. Not sure why the F9ers don't understand that. RAH pilots are asking for your support because these are your brothers and sisters fighting for a better QOL. Also, only F9 is a part of the IBT. UniCo, Airways, AA, and DL are neither in the same union or under the same CBA. So to answer your question, we don't expect anything from them.

Asking for my support?!!! Brothers and sisters?!!!! No, I'm the step sister whose has been raped by her "brothers". NO - I'm not a member of the IBT and never will be.

Cheers T5

Perfect example of why the native RAH folks are so skeptical of the F9'ers. Do we expect you to honor our strike? No, I expect nothing from you guys as you are not obligated under your CBA to do anything. Having a shred of class would dictate otherwise but I digress. The hundreds of posts that resemble the above further the divide. I expect more from my dog than the F9 pilot group so nothing they do will surprise me.

Dude, Why should I help you, when you are stealing my seniority? Why would I help someone who is trying to undo LOA 67, which is in my best interest? Why would I help someone who has no respect for what I have earned? Why????

Cheers T5

I'll second that. The best thing for our careers is for us to be split off. A close second would be for the whole FFD side to liquidate, but I don't wish that on you. We have had ZERO support from your side (or I specifically the IBT) in protecting our careers - you shouldn't blame us for feeling the urge to reciprocate.

I STOLE nothing, I TOOK nothing, I was AWARDED BY A INDEPENDENT ARBITRATOR a senority number.

You TOOK an award that YOU DID NOT EARN... That my young friend is the same at stealing. Your union has done nothing but continue to try and undermine MY career, and you (as near as I can tell) continue to support them.

I have said it before and I'll say it again the best solution would have been a Blue and Green List where you give up your seniority to move to the other list. A Push for the F9 guys and a win for the RAH guys because you can move to a major without an interview. BUT that ship has sailed and now we are stuck.

Cheers T5

When the Spirit guys struck, they invited and encouraged anyone to pick up their routes, just so long as the route was not flown under the "Spirit Wings" call sign at the behest of the airline. I found this to be a masterful stroke: to apply pressure to management by providing competitors the opportunity to drain away revenue. And of course we all saw what happened with the one single flight that did go under the Spirit call sign.

If the day comes, I am certain RAH will publish its struck work. Regardless of the condition of the RAH/F9 organization (or lack thereof), I would hope that ALL pilots would honor the published struck work.

Your careers were protected when you were bought in bankruptcy. There's a reason you were in bankruptcy in the first place. RAH bailed you out and lucky for you it didn't end up the same way the Midwest guys got it. You want to cry and moan but the realization is RAH saved your job and the consequences were it caused the FFD said to lose money because it had to keep bailing you out.

Understand this, the RAH guys (the majority that is) want the bleeding whale gone. I can guarantee that once you're gone you'll either be back in bankruptcy or bought out again. Either way, from here on out, your job will always be in jeopardy. I'm sure we'll see all of you back on here crying and complaining again.

Good luck!

question?
define struck work with reguards to a regional airline. For example, if the major carrier covers the flights is that "crossing a picket line?" I guess I am asking who "owns" those flights?

If the mainline strikes the answer is easy: Nothing in that paint moves, period, end of story.

Not so easy in the other direction. The answer would require communication and coordination between the respective leaderships. One would hope that such discussions would center upon how the mainline could support the efforts of the striking group rather than how to work around them.

He didn't have to earn it. An objective observer meticulously studied the merger/acquisition and concluded this was the fairest integration of seniority. Only a fool would accuse someone, who has been given something by an impartial arbitrator, of being a thief. Too bad for you F9 APC blowhards you weren't in fact acquired, dismantled, and sent packing by the Borg. It would have given you some perspective on fairness. Companies get bought all the time. It's peculiar that pilots feel like they are exempt from the consequences of acquisition.

This is exactly what RAH management wants. There are a lot of things in life that have been thrust upon me that I considered unfair. Sometimes you have to pick yourself up and dust yourself off and move on.

I am not asking you to like the SLI. I am not asking you to like the IBT. I am asking you to not take it out on a RAH pilot. If you have a problem with union leadership, then get involved.

We have plenty of pilots at RAH who got a raw deal with the SLI. Have you considered their position?

Did you get screwed with in the union representation vote? If you are a F9er, then yes, you could say so, but unfortunately, then numbers were against you. This is one of those moments where you pull yourself up and dust yourself off. It is not the end of the world if you are a Teamster.

I personally do not have any first hand info of what goes on within the union leadership of the IBT Local 357, but I am sure they are not meeting just to come up with ways to screw over the F9 pilot group. I am sure it is just the opposite, they are looking for ways to bring the groups together.

It's funny how this was supposed to be a RAH strike vote and once again it gets turned into what the F9ers did or didn't get.

Well said G-Dog. I'm one that didn't fare well in the SLI at all. I supposed if I were to adopt T5's logic, I should go around accusing the Lynx pilots of "stealing my seniority". Please. :rolleyes:

well said. I'm tier 3 as well and not nearly as ****y.

But we've all got the chance to go to an interview-free "major" run by BB, WH, and whatever other idiots those two are keeping company with these days...

I can't speak for all RAH pilots, but I'd rather flight instruct than fly an A-320 for a company run by these j***offs.

Bless his heart

So would you feel TOOK seniority if F9 had the money and bought AA/DAL/UAL and had a similar result in binding arbitration? I'm curious how you would have worded your proposal to put the guys who are more senior to you first.

So does that mean you have resigned from RAH to flight instruct somewhere?

Or does it mean that you would gladly stick around to fly an RJ for them... just not an Airbus?

No I haven't resigned. Still slinging gear. The point is I am not glad to fly RJ's for them, I'm here to get hours and GET OUT. Why would I want to move to the Airbus and make this place the last stop on my career path? If I were not able to get out of this place, if my ONLY option was to become a lifer at a place that treats their employees like garbage, I would get out. Go flight instruct, or go back to fixing cars, or go Active Duty military. Any of a dozen things that would give me more satisfaction than working for BB and his cronies.

In a way I feel for the F9 guys. Make it to a major and get bought by the likes of RAH's management. You may want to work with management and try to make the best of the situation. I hope you have better luck than we have had. I just want to move on, and not to one of BB's shiny Airbuses.

Just my .02

I wonder if there's any pilots at RAH who feel that way.

Wait - you're saying you'd rather flight instruct than fly a nicer airplane for more money? Have you sought therapy for that?