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Eagle Cancelling Interviews
id rather know now than quit my current job and the get furloughed from eagle while in class.
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Is this a statement or a question :confused:
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It's a statement, I just received an email saying 2012 classes are "on hold."
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Originally Posted by Jwight11
(Post 1095381)
It's a statement, I just received an email saying 2012 classes are "on hold."
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Originally Posted by Jwight11
(Post 1095381)
It's a statement, I just received an email saying 2012 classes are "on hold."
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I hope furloughs don't happen, but would not be surprised if they did. It's like Comair a few years ago. They were hiring like gangbusters, and then cancelled interviews, then sent people home who were in class, and then furloughed like gangbusters.
But then again, according to "wingtips", who has been in the industry for less than a year, you are beyond stupid to compare Comair and Eagle. |
Well' lets hope the people scheduled for class in JAN didn't get replaced yet at their old jobs.
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We'll just have to see what kind of 'fleet adjustments' we get.
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Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
(Post 1095403)
:( Sorry to hear that y'all.
no need to be sorry, anyone hired before oct 2011 will have a job with aa. So we'll be alright! oh wait!!!!! I guess I should start on making a sign and join occupy wall street!!! ....another round please, bartender! |
This is a good example of why you never give more than the accepted minimum two weeks notice in aviation, unless you have a very special relationship with the employer. Once you resign, they don't have to let you un-resign.
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I think the writing is on the wall. Remember back in 2008 when Eagle was hiring people with wet commercials? Everything was going great, then suddenly classes were cancelled, then a little while later people went on furlough. Only 71 last time, wonder what the magic number will be this time?
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1095567)
This is a good example of why you never give more than the accepted minimum two weeks notice in aviation, unless you have a very special relationship with the employer. Once you resign, they don't have to let you un-resign.
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Originally Posted by rbtower2
(Post 1095660)
The problem with Eagle is as soon as they give you your tentative offer they fax out something to your current employer asking for a performance evaluation so they basically force your hand telling your current employer you are planning on going to Eagle. I was going to wait untill after I passed the regional jet course and got a firm class date before giving my notice to my employer but that went right out the window when they recieved the performance evaluation.
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Originally Posted by rbtower2
(Post 1095660)
The problem with Eagle is as soon as they give you your tentative offer they fax out something to your current employer asking for a performance evaluation so they basically force your hand telling your current employer you are planning on going to Eagle. I was going to wait untill after I passed the regional jet course and got a firm class date before giving my notice to my employer but that went right out the window when they recieved the performance evaluation.
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How about all the nice guys at NetJets who quit their good job to return to their furloughed United job a few years back....only to get the shaft....sure would suck to quit a good job for AE and get furloughed soon after.
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Originally Posted by ERJF15
(Post 1095674)
That the nature of the biz. Lesson 1.
what he said
Originally Posted by paintyourjet
(Post 1096173)
sure would suck to quit a good job for AE and get furloughed soon after.
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
(Post 1095406)
But then again, according to "wingtips", who has been in the industry for less than a year, you are beyond stupid to compare Comair and Eagle.
Good luck Eagle guys. Hope this turns out better. |
Originally Posted by paintyourjet
(Post 1096173)
How about all the nice guys at NetJets who quit their good job to return to their furloughed United job a few years back....only to get the shaft....sure would suck to quit a good job for AE and get furloughed soon after.
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early projects say parking 30-100 aircraft(mostly 135/140's)....source from about 1 check airmen and 2 in the training department...
good luck |
I had interviews scheduled with comair and eagle in the late spring/early summer of 2008....they both went away. Worked at the flight school for another two years after that...
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Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99
(Post 1096254)
early projects say parking 30-100 aircraft(mostly 135/140's)....source from about 1 check airmen and 2 in the training department...
good luck |
Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99
(Post 1096254)
early projects say parking 30-100 aircraft(mostly 135/140's)....source from about 1 check airmen and 2 in the training department...
good luck Nobody knows. Just sit back and wait to see what happens.. nothing any pilot can do about it anyway. |
Originally Posted by rbtower2
(Post 1095660)
The problem with Eagle is as soon as they give you your tentative offer they fax out something to your current employer asking for a performance evaluation so they basically force your hand telling your current employer you are planning on going to Eagle. I was going to wait untill after I passed the regional jet course and got a firm class date before giving my notice to my employer but that went right out the window when they recieved the performance evaluation.
In nearly every state it is illegal to make any disparaging or negative remarks about a current or former employer to a new prospective employer beyond "no we would no rehire this person." Though there are holdouts like Illinois. So I doubt such an evaluation is going out but I am probably wrong. But more towards the point, it is not reasonable for a person to expect to be able to keep their job search a secret from their current airline in such an industry. And frankly, as uncaring for individuals positively or negatively as regional airlines are, to worry about your current one knowing you are looking or potentially leaving is a little paranoid. They don't care about you as to them you are nothing more then a number on a seniority list. |
Originally Posted by DashGirl
(Post 1096343)
I am not an HR expert but I do know a little about labor laws and I don't think a "performance evaluation" is widely legal beyond.."Did so and so work there as a pilot?" and "Would you rehire this person?" The only other type of info that they can share are your training records via PRIA. I'd be really surprised that a company as large as Eagle would want to risk any discriminatory liability issues by asking too much of a current or former employer. And as I already stated, most companies won't say much on an inquiry like that anyway for their own liability concerns. Almost everywhere I have worked has had a "neutral reference policy" in place for this sort of thing.
In nearly every state it is illegal to make any disparaging or negative remarks about a current or former employer to a new prospective employer beyond "no we would no rehire this person." Though there are holdouts like Illinois. So I doubt such an evaluation is going out but I am probably wrong. But more towards the point, it is not reasonable for a person to expect to be able to keep their job search a secret from their current airline in such an industry. And frankly, as uncaring for individuals positively or negatively as regional airlines are, to worry about your current one knowing you are looking or potentially leaving is a little paranoid. They don't care about you as to them you are nothing more then a number on a seniority list. |
Originally Posted by DashGirl
(Post 1096343)
I am not an HR expert but I do know a little about labor laws and I don't think a "performance evaluation" is widely legal beyond.."Did so and so work there as a pilot?" and "Would you rehire this person?" The only other type of info that they can share are your training records via PRIA. I'd be really surprised that a company as large as Eagle would want to risk any discriminatory liability issues by asking too much of a current or former employer. And as I already stated, most companies won't say much on an inquiry like that anyway for their own liability concerns. Almost everywhere I have worked has had a "neutral reference policy" in place for this sort of thing.
In nearly every state it is illegal to make any disparaging or negative remarks about a current or former employer to a new prospective employer beyond "no we would no rehire this person." Though there are holdouts like Illinois. So I doubt such an evaluation is going out but I am probably wrong. But more towards the point, it is not reasonable for a person to expect to be able to keep their job search a secret from their current airline in such an industry. And frankly, as uncaring for individuals positively or negatively as regional airlines are, to worry about your current one knowing you are looking or potentially leaving is a little paranoid. They don't care about you as to them you are nothing more then a number on a seniority list. They have you sign a waiver that says they can ask.... |
Originally Posted by rbtower2
(Post 1096414)
I never said I currently work for an airline. I work in an office so Im not just a number. And they are sending the evaluation out. I saw it and my supervisor saw it because he had to send it back to them via fax. With that being said now Im in a position where I have to ask for my old job back because I got called for training and then eagle canceled. luckily I didnt burn any bridges at my current job so they are gonna see if they can get me back on even though they hired my replacement already
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1096415)
They have you sign a waiver that says they can ask....
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1095567)
This is a good example of why you never give more than the accepted minimum two weeks notice in aviation, unless you have a very special relationship with the employer. Once you resign, they don't have to let you un-resign.
I might go as far as to tell my employer I'm going on vacation for a few weeks till I know for sure its a solid deal. That's if you can ask for one. Maybe go sick for awhile??? |
Dashgirl not illegal to say disparaging things, just not smart. There is a civil risk of libel and slander so most companies have a policy of not being specific. If you were a bad employee and it was documented there is no confidentiality required.
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Originally Posted by hurricanechaser
(Post 1096485)
I might go as far as to tell my employer I'm going on vacation for a few weeks till I know for sure its a solid deal. That's if you can ask for one. Maybe go sick for awhile???
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
(Post 1096502)
Be careful with that, people have been fired from their new job when the company found out they still had the old job. They go from having 2 jobs to none. Probably comes from the "outside flying" clause in most company's GOM.
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Originally Posted by DashDriverYV
(Post 1096497)
Dashgirl not illegal to say disparaging things, just not smart. There is a civil risk of libel and slander so most companies have a policy of not being specific. If you were a bad employee and it was documented there is no confidentiality required.
It is not legal to ask some particular questions but not illegal to share an opinion of someone. There are nasty people in this world and a few of them are pilots. Most airlines have given their pilots an opportunity to share their opinions of applicants to make the best decisions in choosing the best available people. None of that is illegal. |
yeah, buddy of mine did his interview they day AMR filed for chapter 11. very next day he gets a call saying his training is pushed back so eagle can "reorganize"
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Originally Posted by DashGirl
(Post 1096343)
I am not an HR expert but I do know a little about labor laws and I don't think a "performance evaluation" is widely legal beyond.."Did so and so work there as a pilot?" and "Would you rehire this person?" The only other type of info that they can share are your training records via PRIA. I'd be really surprised that a company as large as Eagle would want to risk any discriminatory liability issues by asking too much of a current or former employer. And as I already stated, most companies won't say much on an inquiry like that anyway for their own liability concerns. Almost everywhere I have worked has had a "neutral reference policy" in place for this sort of thing.
In nearly every state it is illegal to make any disparaging or negative remarks about a current or former employer to a new prospective employer beyond "no we would no rehire this person." Though there are holdouts like Illinois. So I doubt such an evaluation is going out but I am probably wrong. But more towards the point, it is not reasonable for a person to expect to be able to keep their job search a secret from their current airline in such an industry. And frankly, as uncaring for individuals positively or negatively as regional airlines are, to worry about your current one knowing you are looking or potentially leaving is a little paranoid. They don't care about you as to them you are nothing more then a number on a seniority list. |
Originally Posted by KingBird50
(Post 1100741)
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Unlikely. AMR simply wants to their feed to be primarily 70-90 seat jets, just as DAL's and UAL's is now.
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Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99
(Post 1096254)
early projects say parking 30-100 aircraft(mostly 135/140's)....source from about 1 check airmen and 2 in the training department...
good luck Well, if a check airmen and TWO people in the training department said so...... :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by prex8390
(Post 1100731)
yeah, buddy of mine did his interview they day AMR filed for chapter 11. very next day he gets a call saying his training is pushed back so eagle can "reorganize"
Things sure have changed! |
Originally Posted by block30
(Post 1100752)
Is this all just a strong-arm move by management to break current scope agreements in order to make Eagle essentially a mailine carrier but at regional rates? If so, I am sure everyone else is going to follow suit. :mad:
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Originally Posted by block30
(Post 1100752)
Is this all just a strong-arm move by management to break current scope agreements in order to make Eagle essentially a mailine carrier but at regional rates? :mad:
...long story short, yes! only my opinion! |
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