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jayray2 01-25-2012 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by tim123 (Post 1122391)
I disagree Ima...I think we could see another wholly owned comair situation with pncl.They file bankrupcty,shrink the heck out of it,give flying to sub-contractors,clean up some of the debt on books.

I don't get it, you are implying Pinnacle is owned by Delta. Shrinking the heck out of 9E will kill it, smaller is not better and there is no endless piggy bank like Comair has with Delta. Can you explain what kind of debt 9E has?

Windsor 01-25-2012 08:51 AM

Jump ship if you are senior to 1800 on the master seniority list, stay if under it. Ha.

cl601pilot 01-25-2012 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 1122540)
I don't get it, you are implying Pinnacle is owned by Delta. Shrinking the heck out of 9E will kill it, smaller is not better and there is no endless piggy bank like Comair has with Delta. Can you explain what kind of debt 9E has?

The debt owed for the Mesaba purchase.

Deice Press 01-25-2012 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by gonyon (Post 1122535)
just about the total size of the colgan portion of the company. coincidence?

Ya I wasn't concerned until menkles specfically brought up the ISL as being a problem rather than 11-09. Alarm bells are ringing, I'd certainly try to void the ISL in bk and shutdown 9L if I was him, would save a fortune versus doing it ethically.

block30 01-25-2012 11:35 AM

Does Delta's release of news of a good profit in 2011 have any bearing on the Pinnacle situation? I don't have the link because I am using my mobile, but the report is on atwonline.com.

IBPilot 01-25-2012 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by 200Driver (Post 1121753)
Anyone who thinks this 5% pay cut will have ANY bearing on what happens in the near and / or distant future of pinnacle is ill-informed and uneducated about the industry for which they work. NEVER in the history of the regional airline Buisness has a pilot group saved a company or recovered the money they lost by conceding!

What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome...

Vote yes, seek therapy, and develop a plan B for you and your family or...

Vote no and develop a plan B for you and your family...

Plan B saves you much needed money on therapy and would be my choice!

Hi ShyGuy!

200Driver 01-25-2012 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1122804)
Hi ShyGuy!

OUCH! Just trying to get a certain point across regarding the reality of the situation.

MunkyButtr 01-26-2012 04:32 AM

I can see the 9e 900s going away because skywest could pick up that flying with their spares, but I think Unitacon is hust playing hardball. I don't know why they would leave it up to a bk judge and I don't see them wanting to lose 30 planes. What would it take for someone else to fly the Q's? No one is hiring enough that already flies the dash. If it does happen I'd think it would take a while for them all to disapear.

Avroman 01-26-2012 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1123109)
I can see the 9e 900s going away because skywest could pick up that flying with their spares, but I think Unitacon is hust playing hardball. I don't know why they would leave it up to a bk judge and I don't see them wanting to lose 30 planes. What would it take for someone else to fly the Q's? No one is hiring enough that already flies the dash. If it does happen I'd think it would take a while for them all to disapear.

They could disappear very quickly, it would take a while for someone else to begin operating them though.

Luv2Rotate 01-26-2012 05:48 AM

Why is it then, United is in abig hurry to get the Q refitted for 1st class accommodations? To the point where they're paying to lease additional aircraft in order to speed up the process. Just doesn't make sense if Unicon, is looking to dump the Q. :-/


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