Pinnacle asking 7% from pilots
 

There was a lot of information in my Dec. 8 message and Dec. 9 employee
call, so I wanted to elaborate on some of the details - specifically on
the cost-cutting steps we’re planning within our organization.

In addition to the pay freeze for non-union employees in 2012, I mentioned
on the call that we are going to ask our unionized employees to take a pay
cut. The amount we’re asking for is 5 percent of base pay, and if all
union groups agree, that pay cut will be applied to the non-union
employees as well. To reiterate what I said during that call, we will only
take this step if EVERY labor group agrees and the cuts can be made across
the board (union and non union). In addition, we will only take this step
if our partners and stakeholders are able to provide the modifications
we’re seeking.

If we do move forward with pay cuts, there are no plans at this time to
reinstate the 5 percent at a later date. I won’t know if we will take this
step until we hear back from all of our labor unions and stakeholders, so
I can’t speculate on when a possible pay cut might take place. We’ve
shared extensive information with union leadership, on a confidential
basis, to further explain the business necessity for these cuts. I’ll
communicate the outcome of our discussions as soon as we have a decision.

I’ve also received questions about what additional concessions we’re
asking from our pilots. In addition to the 5 percent pay cut, the most
material thing we’re asking for is a more manageable implementation
agreement for the pilot integrated seniority list (ISL). Due to ongoing
discussions with ALPA, I can’t go into detail, but it’s an important part
of our plans.

Regarding next steps with our organizational restructuring, the officer
team has been asked to take a hard look at each of their departments to
see where further changes can be made – from director level all the way
down to front-line. The overriding question being asked of our officers
is, “What positions are required to support our operations in light of the
current business environment?”

I committed to having these organizational restructuring decisions made by
Jan. 31, and if we’re able to work through this process sooner we will.
Completing this step quickly is not only essential to achieve the
necessary savings to address our challenges, but it’s also required to
minimize disruption to you and to our operations.

I realize at this point there are more questions than answers, and I know
that’s unsettling. I’ve committed to keeping you informed along the way as
best I can, and this message is one step in that process.

As I said on the call, one of our biggest leverage points with our
partners right now is our strong operating performance. As tough as I know
things are right now, the most important thing everybody can do to help is
to keep your focus on running a safe, reliable operation.

All the best,

Sean




To quote a line from one of the greatest movies ever... "F*#k you, pay me."

Ummmmm. no.

100%....NO!!!

No way. Times like this, I wish I could swear on these forums

All this so PT and DS can keep lining their pockets while they caused this mess and continue to get paid for doing nothing...
Lets ask for a 10% raise in return

WE GIVE THEM NOTHING... what balls they have asking us to take pay cuts when they keep paying the crooks that caused this mess.

No. Next question?

No ****, go ask those two no-talent assclowns for their severence packages back

Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Just finished reading, "Flying The Line Volume II". Have to say that first post sounded just like Lorenzo & Continental in '83, and Ferris/ Ferg & United '85.

Those of you who haven't read the book, highly recommend it if you plan on staying in this "career" field.

This is a joke. He can't even humor us and tell us we might get the pay back. If we are being asked to take a permanent pay cut, I say let the BK court do it. At least we will get a few more months of normal pay.

Although most people on here are against any concession, I have my doubts we will prevail. So far, our MEC has not given any sign that they are listening to us. I would not be surprised if they cave based on their "privileged" information given to them by the opposing body that wants them to agree to a pay cut.

Also, I heard a captain in the van speak for 5 minutes about how horrible the idea of asking us for a pay cut to fund golden parachutes is. Then he claims that he is willing to take a 10% pay cut until the company is in solid finical figures again. 10% and a promise! YGTSM!

Email your MEC. Tell them how they should represent you.

So let me get this straight.....

Pinnacle management had the money (or at least the credit) to buy up Colgan and Mesaba and now wants concessions due to their own inability to merge them? Unbelievable.

lol.... hilarious. Regionals asking their employees to consider taking pay cuts. What's next? Working for free?

NO.

This.

Demand a 5% pay raise.

As stated in the conference call, let this go to the pilots for a vote. That was the plan, right ALPA? Glad I got in this thread early, but I'm confident the posts after mine will parallel the ones before this. "Full pay until the last day" doesn't leave any interpretation. No cuts whatsoever! Count the 6-8$ million the negotiators worked for as our concession!

Sean says "see you in bankruptcy court, the judge will make you say yes".

U some kind of company boi?

And on a somewhat related note, ask the Frontier flight attendants about the 10% pay cut they took initially after the Frontier bankruptcy that was promised to be restored by that do*che Bedford during his 15 minutes of fame on Undercover Boss... Never happened! You can see the similarities...

Could be. Most really senior regional guys bought their jobs via PFT back in the day.

Hardly. Just amused by all this regional tough guy talk about no paycuts. You guys will give in because you are afraid to actually vote no and risk losing the job that you paid so dearly (literally with $100K+ student loans) for and love.

I have NO problem voting no and will, and I'm new and would probably get furloughed as a result of BK. Hopefully, we as a group can show management of ALL regionals that we are done being the ones who always get hurt. That Regional pilots are PILOTS.

Aren't you guys starting to have to hire ink wet commercials? The handwriting is on the wall. Smarten up guys. The mainline needs the lift. There isn't anybody to replace you all, certainly not long term as pilots migrate to mainlines and LCC's. They'll drive it into BK anyway with your new lower salary as the starting point for additional cuts.

Who is this guy? And I'm surprised he can text from high up on that pedestal!

What's the average paycut of 5% across the board? 2.50$/hr maybe? Average that at 75 hours per month and you get $560k per month savings with 3000 pilots. Per year that's 6.7$ million, still less than our training concession LOA (6-8$ million) and also less than the combined total of the golden parachutes handed out. So in year 1, the pilot group will have conceded 12.7$-14.7$ million! I'm interested in the savings of the other employee groups...No thank you!

I'd tell you to go back to your own board, but your own kind called you out and you must've got your feelings hurt.

To Saabs, he's one of those management line pilots at UPS so he's just one step away from a scab.

But seriously, you don't work here and you're always coming on and talking smack so I'm gonna ask you to kindly p!$$ off!

This coming from a guy who says how great Go Jet is....
A loan is something you get from a bank, but you wouldnt know that because I bet your a bank of mommy and daddy little guy... tell me does your mom still comb your hair before bedtime?

These are just 2 of his past posts. I can give 2 dumps about his opinion

I'm a little slow, so let me be sure I understand this....

ONLY AFTER the unions agree to a cut,
THEN the non union employees pay will be cut.

Just out of curiosity, aren't all senior management NON union?

IF our leaders truly want to lead, start the pay cuts at the top!

Ahhh thanks Juice... This guy is bipolar and or slow... this little ones not worth the effort, come let me buy you a drink.

Whoa whoa whoa, you aren't supposed to look behind the curtain and see how it is done. How dare you!

It's the equivalent of "Show me yours and I'll show you mine."

Funny that this 5% pay cut may be the one thing to actually unify our pilot group.

yep I agree... Great time for us to unify, bad for mgnmnt ;)

If they're going to declare bankruptcy and get concessions from you guys, its going to happen no matter what happens here. You can take cuts now and take even more cuts later, or you can just play chicken with them and see if they'll actually go the bankruptcy route.

Pinnacle pilots fought way too hard for way too long making way too little money to ever EVER give anything back to that company. Make all the money you can til the last day, don't give a single cent. Make them realize they're looking to the wrong people for money to fix their own mistakes.

And you need to make it clear to your union leadership that giving even a single inch on any issue will result in a decertification of ALPA. Concessions cannot be tolerated.

play chicken with these assho .. les. We dont give a single cent before the other employee groups give it up first. Look at the history of other pilot groups and concessions. F-U Menke. You want my cash? Lead by example. DO as I've done or I was willing to do first. That worked for me in Iraq, Kosovo and Bosnia. It should work for you numbnuts.

Absolutely no pay cut period.

tell everyone you know to let their reps know where they stand. This is imperitive.No Concessions.

I will ride my 5% all the way to the scene of the crash!!! STFD!!!

Go ask Delta for a 5% raise!!!

These management types are a piece of (:::::)

I would take a 10% pay cut for a year and get it back it anyone who is non union that makes over 100K takes a 50% pay cut for 2 years

I agree with the NO to pay cuts. Whats the math on the financial trouble we are in? How do we even know this gets us close to staying out of Bankruptcy? Seems to me that management already knows which direction this is all going "bankruptcy". If they were serious about keeping us out they would not offer to match our 5% after we agree to the cut. They would be leading by example and taking a bigger hit. This is all smoke in mirrors and part of the play book to get labor groups ****ed at each other before going to the courts. Keep the cash in our pockets as long as we can. ALPA this is your chance to show not only Pinnacle but all regionals that we are at our bottom line already and the only direction to go is up. What happened to "taking it back" campaign?? Don't tell me its now turned to "Giving it Back"...