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NuGuy 01-05-2012 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA (Post 1104664)
The American public has no idea how little the guy sitting in the right seat of that regional jet makes.
Every time I tell someone I'm an airline pilot they think I'm making $80k or more a year.

I sometimes wonder if ALPA does not want to upset mainline by showing the American public how little their pilots make. Is there a conflict of interest here?

Well, all you have to do is make a catchy video like "United Breaks Guitars" and have it go viral, and problem solved.

Nu

JamesNoBrakes 01-05-2012 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1112696)
Well, all you have to do is make a catchy video like "United Breaks Guitars" and have it go viral, and problem solved.

Nu

Been way too long :)

ArcherDvr 01-05-2012 06:58 PM

The whole thing is hopeless, unless you can get every regional pilot, at every airline that is making crap pay to stop flying and demand more pay (unrealistic goal). Then you'd have to prevent all those fresh com/instrument students from offering to fill those slots. I highly doubt there will ever be a huge pilot shortage. Most the airlines I talk to are still getting stacks of resumes. Southwest gets like qualified 10000 applications for 100 slots. Even if the other airlines only get 1/4th as many applicants that is still 2500 applicants for 100 slots, I just don't see it happning.

Semaphore Sam 01-07-2012 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by WileyTwo (Post 1105014)
Who is offering 150-180k per annum? Do you need more than a CL-65 type and 500 hours on type?

The jobs are out there...why fly for peanuts when there's this? Sam

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Semaphore Sam 01-07-2012 11:02 PM

Sorry Wiley Two...it wasn't 150k-180k, I was wrong...it is 180K to 206K per annum...and what are all you RICH people, flying for Republic, and Compass making? Just waiting for the HOLY FLOW, to fly for peanuts on a DC-9 for Delta, and then watch them cut salaries, and go bankrupt? OK, stay with your Company (Mr, H?), and watch your benefits, salaries, and pensions disappear Westbound. The Dream is over...grab opportunities whilst you can. There are OTHER dreams. Sam

CANAM 01-08-2012 03:29 AM

If you're making poor wages, your only leverage is to embarass the companies that take advanage of you in this manner. Take out full page ads in ATL, MSP, MEM, SLC, NYC newspapers and let the public know that Delta Connection pilots qualify for food stamps. The flying public doesn't want to read this and neither does Delta or your management. Does anybody recall all the rage regarding Colgan 3407 and the pay/working conditions that this tragedy exposed? The public was outraged for about two days, but then they forgot just as quickly. We need to maintain the pressure and public outrage to bring about change. If you're seriously relying on management to fix the integrity of this profession, then I foresee a lot of Ramen noodles and PB&J sandwiches in your future dietary plans.

MunkyButtr 01-08-2012 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA (Post 1104664)
The American public has no idea how little the guy sitting in the right seat of that regional jet makes.
Every time I tell someone I'm an airline pilot they think I'm making $80k or more a year.

I sometimes wonder if ALPA does not want to upset mainline by showing the American public how little their pilots make. Is there a conflict of interest here?

The American public doesn't care. The American public is trying to stay in their houses with the lights on or finding a job that will pay more than minimum wage. All they care about are low ticket prices and getting home on time. They won't pay more so we can get paid more. Our problem is with our union and management. Making the American people aware of how much we make won't stop them from flying.

seafeye 01-08-2012 06:12 AM

My f/o the other day did some math. We transported over 30,000 people last year. My f/o made less than $1/passenger he moved.
Not to mention the endless nights in crappy hotels, crap airport food, time in simulator, medicals, blah blah blah.....

Pay cut? Ha up yours.

TeddyKGB 01-08-2012 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by jetstream11 (Post 1104531)
This could be our opportunity to stand up for ourselves and the future generations of regional pilots.

We need to make a statement that we are done being thrown into the fire every time there has to be cuts. WE are not the ones responsible for the failing of these companies.

I hope 100% of PNCL pilots vote NO to Pay Cuts. I hope that 100% of other regionals vote NO to Pay Cuts.

As some background I will probably be furloughed if PNCL declares BK. I understand that, I'm just sick of my fellow pilots, colleagues, and friends getting shafted in this industry.

If you don't like the pay and terms of your employment you should seek another job or consider another profession. Supply & Demand, corporate laws and the health of your company will determine your future pay, not some silly grass roots movement. Nice try.

skyxbomb 01-08-2012 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1114004)
My f/o the other day did some math. We transported over 30,000 people last year. My f/o made less than $1/passenger he moved.
Not to mention the endless nights in crappy hotels, crap airport food, time in simulator, medicals, blah blah blah.....

Pay cut? Ha up yours.

So you're telling me that airlines can't raise the price of a ticket by $3 so the whole crew gets 30k increase in pay each???

Baggage fees and fuel surcharges are some of the methods the airlines uses to survive. I think once the pilot group realizes that WE are the rare commodity to the company and hardest (takes longest) to replace, then the airlines will tack on a $5 fee for the crew. Whether the public likes it or not, that should be set in place by all airlines just like taxes and 3816 surcharges the pax are exposed to already.

Sounds like a dream far fetched but with the massive retirements, lowest cpl issuances in decades and the 1500 hour rules going in effect, perhaps the golden era part 2 will commence for us within the next 5-10 years!!!


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