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Fly782 12-28-2011 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1108662)
What is wishful thinking? That G7 is able to staff the jets? I don't really care as I'm mainline & want it all back anyways.

Wishful thinking that they cannot and they wont be getting them.

MunkyButtr 12-28-2011 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1108543)
Here's a thought: Management uses this and dangles it as a carrot in front of the group for a 5% paycut. It's happened before at other regional airlines, and can happen here. Consider that almost half the original 9E group is the Gulfstream pay-to-play types, and it isn't too far a stretch to imagine the possibility. Also, senior lifers who have no where to go would rather fly a 70 seater for more pay as opposed to 50 seaters that are headed for the desert.

I would say that number is way off there bud. I'd put that number more around 10% which I still think is generous, besides what the duece does it matter where they came from?

MunkyButtr 12-28-2011 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1108557)
There are no more 70/76 seaters allowed for Delta. The cap has been reached. Don't fall for it, because if 9E does get more 70 seaters they won't be down under the Delta banner.

I guess that leaves UAL.

So the 70's are scoped out? I don't know how it works, I assumed it was just 76ers that were scope protected.

JoeMerchant 12-28-2011 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1108662)
What is wishful thinking? That G7 is able to staff the jets? I don't really care as I'm mainline & want it all back anyways.

Yet another example that mainline pilots don't really get it. You should care whether G7 gets this or whether ASA keeps this flying. G7 is far cheaper than ASA both because of longevity and contract which puts added downward pressure on YOU and the rest of the Delta pilots. When this flying goes from ASA and CMR to cheaper operators like G7 it makes that much harder for you to ever recapture it, and it puts more downward pressure on what you still have left....Sorry, go ahead and stick your head back in the sand....

Fly782 12-28-2011 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1108775)
Yet another example that mainline pilots don't really get it. You should care whether G7 gets this or whether ASA keeps this flying. G7 is far cheaper than ASA both because of longevity and contract which puts added downward pressure on YOU and the rest of the Delta pilots. When this flying goes from ASA and CMR to cheaper operators like G7 it makes that much harder for you to ever recapture it, and it puts more downward pressure on what you still have left....Sorry, go ahead and stick your head back in the sand....

+1... I did not want to say it.

Have had many conversations with the old man in regards to getting it back and he says its way too far gone to get it back. (wants it back also just feels wont happen)

This is my opinion and NOT what I want to happen but...

DL has way too many issues they want to resolve in the new contract, the biggest being pay and scope. How do you think we go into this mess of RJs to begin with? Top the fact that DL will have to fight in order to keep their rest rules with the new FT/DT being released. AND AMR will throw a wrench into everything when they gut scope and have a new payscale. Back to hearing we cannot compete with AA blah blah blah we can only give you guys one thing scope or pay. What do you honestly think will win? How can one forget that SWA is saying they are paying their pilots too much... I can see it now Richie Anderson is going to say " Well give you the old SWA pay that you want but the only way to compete with anyone will be if we get more regional feed"

Used2BeFlyer 12-28-2011 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by seahawker01 (Post 1108463)
About 40 percent of the 1,300 pilots and first officers earn less than $30,000 per year, according to the Air Line Pilots Association

So ALPA doesn't think FOs are pilots. Who'd a thunk it. :rolleyes:

MusicPilot 12-28-2011 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1108557)
There are no more 70/76 seaters allowed for Delta. The cap has been reached. Don't fall for it, because if 9E does get more 70 seaters they won't be down under the Delta banner.

I guess that leaves UAL.

True except Shuttle's still bringkng over aircraft that are 170s. Maybe already included in the count, but I know more are to come.

DD214 12-28-2011 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1108662)
What is wishful thinking? That G7 is able to staff the jets? I don't really care as I'm mainline & want it all back anyways.

And would you be OK with mainline flying the CRJs or ERJs and if so for what compensation are you willing to take?

RgrMurdock 12-28-2011 11:20 PM

Delta is maxed out on scope. The E170's going over are already counted. There may be room for a couple more. But no more than five 70 seaters are left to be had at delta. Unless of course they relax scope some more.

johnso29 12-29-2011 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1108771)
So the 70's are scoped out? I don't know how it works, I assumed it was just 76ers that were scope protected.

Yes. Large RJ's(51-76 seats) are capped. 255 is the limit. Of those 255, only 153 can be 76 seaters. If the mainline fleet grows past a certain number, the 153 number increases, but 70 seaters must be removed because the 255 number cannot increase.


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