Haha, no one is crying about anything here "Sally", but thanks for proving my point. I wasn't the one catching a ride you fool.

Courtesy today whether the aviation industry or anything else is pretty much in a tailspin..... Just my $.02 worth

Might I suggest a new briefing from the captain:

"Welcome aboard. Since I'll be pilot flying and he'll be pilot monitoring, consider yourself pilot monitoring the pilot monitoring. Because we're working 14 hour days and 7 legs per day, we're going to make a mistake at some point. Perhaps you just might be the person that traps that error and averts the NTSB from having to write those long tedious reports. And of course the local morgue here (insert outstation) is probably over worked and under-staffed as well, so they really don't want to come out and piece body parts together.

I know you really don't know our SOPs but you're obviously a pilot so if you see something wacky, ask. Since I have sleep apnea, am 40 pounds over weight, and my hearing is shot from flying Convairs for years, I am likely not on my A game. Also, because this person next to me is 30 years my junior, he will be unwilling to question me for any reason or speak up if we are going to fly into a mountain. So do it instead. Besides, he slept in the crew lounge last night since 22K a year can't get you living quarters in (insert airline hub here). So the level of alertness in this cockpit is really crummy. Better yet, even if I don't talk to you or even flat out ignore you - I have irritable bowel syndrome from those years of airport food - just consider yourself part of the team, take the I-pod out of your ears to maintain SA, and help keep us alive and out of trouble.

1. learn how to read.
2. If you have forgotten your roots so soon and can't say anything positive in the regional forums, stay in the Major's sandbox and play nice...:rolleyes:

Exactly. Read post I quoted above to see why....

Thats what we do man! good to hear somebody appreciates it. I've done this plently of times, makes for an interesting flight. I've had great experiences all around major/regional etc. It pains me a little to say this, but even thanks to brickyard, for the one CA who opened the door back up after it was shut, and stomped up the jet bridge to get me the last seat. :D

I commute on Shuttle America a lot. They are some of the nicest pilots I have ever met. Keep it up.

Rode on a UAL 75 the other day and the CA must not have slept very well. He didn't seem too happy that morning, and barely said a word to me. Guess what? I still got to my destination.

Everybody lives a different life. Some people are mean, some people are nice, some people are dealing with issues at home, some people have ego's that barely fit in the cockpit, etc. No need to get all butthurt because they don't roll out the red carpet. Say "Please" and "Thank You" and you won't have any issues.

I think I may have come across as rude at some point or another, but keep in mind it may be from a number of other factors. Don't take it personal if the Captain isn't too friendly - He or she may just be having a bad day. I commute and welcome all other commuters in the JS as long as they didn't have mexican food the night before. :)

Not to give out any details as to not offend the CA, but I sat on a JS for 3 hours listening to a mainline CA talk about his $100,000 motor home - How nice it was, what color it was, how big his plasma TV was in there and it just kept going on and on. When there was a break in the conversation the FO, who apparently has heard enough about the motor home over the course of the trip would pipe in and ask random "How are things at your airline" question. Before I could answer the CA, who you could tell was clueless as hell, would pipe in about "Did I tell you about the grill I bought for the motor home??". And then we'd hear about the grill for his motor home.

The best part came when he said his daughter, 17 years old, would take her friends out there to the campsite to "sing campfire songs and roast marshmallows, and play the guitar and just had a good ol' time!" When he said that the FO and I shared the same "That ain't what your daughter is doing out there, sir" glance.

Actually had a XJet pilot give us crap from the jumpseat for our aborted T/O.

"GAH...I can't believe you aborted for that. You just F'd me"
needless to say he wasn't on the airplane when we pushed off the gate again.

Yep UAL was famous for hiring women and miniorities with virtually no time in the 80's due to a concent decree. My cousin was a USCG C-130 driver academy grad had thousands of hrs flying in Alaska and when he applied to UAL during this period he didn't even get a response but I saw they hired one woman out of riddle with around 600 hrs no turbine time and put her sideways in the DC-10. Doesnt surprise me this Capt was clueless.

I'm sorry you had a deal with such a tool. It seems we have more and more douches everyday at XJT.

Back in the day, I made a few girls sing when I roasted their marshmallows.

Remember, if you are going to play with fire, protect yourself with the OveGlove.

Wha?! The gall! And I mean that. What the heck are some people thinking? I've been doing this for twenty years, have ridden hundreds of jumpseats - from E-120's to 747's - and I would never in a million years pull a dumb ass move like that. Jeez. :eek::(

After several hours of delay at IAD, finally departed for DTW in the middle of the night (my home). Beat into stiff headwinds with IMC at DTW. I was in the cockpit jumpseat as it was a full flight. Watched a fairly inexperienced crew get all balled up in decision making, hold over Lake Erie, run into a questionable fuel state, and turn tails all the way back to Dulles with Cleveland as a suitable MVFR alternate.

Sweated bullets all the way back over the Blue Ridge (hint) and we landed at 4am on fumes.. I never even offered "Heys guys, what about Cleveland..." And it never came up. Never again. I would never question a crew about an abort but I now will offer (inquiry, advocacy, assertion) if the safety of the flight is in question. Too many near misses out there that have avoided accidents because somebody said something.

sorry about the experience, I hope most of us on the cargo side would be the best jump seaters ever as we offer so little of them in return. I hope when you ride on mine you walk away happy and more then willing to help out my fellow commuting pilots.

As a side note he was trying to brag, his base pay 7 years ago at top scale was $190 a hour. 975 hours a year =185,250. He would have needed a 22% pay raise.

Hard to believe a UAL pilot doesnt know who Air Wisconsin is. UAL used to own Air Wisconsin.

You'd be surprised. I have had jumpseater's (FO's as well as CA's) that didn't even know what aircraft they allow to be outsourced at the regional level. Some people just show up and don't really put much thought into their job.

Don't be so sure. It depends who he works for.

I had a tooth abscess on an overnight in Binghamton, NY, when I was with CommutAir a few years ago. The side of my jaw swelled up to the size of a tennis ball, and I obviously couldn't fly that next day. They just left me there. No positive space, no night in the hotel if I needed it, no nothing. Just, "OK, you're off the rest of the trip."

I had to jumpseat home, a 3-leg trip through PHL and BOS, in severe pain, looking like my face got pounded by a hockey stick. It wasn't a pretty sight. :mad:

I don't see so much of an issue with age. I've had younger guys who are just ****ed off about something and really friendly ones. The worst one I had was a Delta 737 CA asked me what I fly, after I asked him for a ride. I told him, the CRJ 200. His response was, "The one that we all hope will be gone soon?" I almost walked off the plane. I'm not saying DAL guys are bad. It was just a bad experience.