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Age difference in jumpseating
I hate to be that guy and complain but I have yet to have one older captain be pleasant when it comes to requesting the jumpseat, yes politely. Seems like the younger generation is much more laid back and accommodating. Makes me want to just non rev only wherever I go. Anyone notice this or am I crazy?
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Just you... Ive noticed its more the FOs but then again I mainly ride on Cactus
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Originally Posted by B200 Hawk
(Post 1114195)
I hate to be that guy and complain but I have yet to have one older captain be pleasant when it comes to requesting the jumpseat, yes politely. Seems like the younger generation is much more laid back and accommodating. Makes me want to just non rev only wherever I go. Anyone notice this or am I crazy?
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1114222)
Laid back in what way-there are procedures and policies to adhere to. What would you like the older captain do for you, friend you on his facebook? How many jumpseaters do you get in a day? I know of crew who average 2 -3 jumpseaters per leg and I have seen and been part of the 8 jumpseaters on one leg. So how pleasant would you like it to be?
Older boys seam to hate having ANYONE on the jumpseat, they won't talk to you, they act like you are such an inconvenience and in general are just not "friendly". It has nothing to do with policies and procedures you mention. You can be professional and courteous but they choose to be neither it seams. Now the younger ones, they aren't going against the p's and p's by being nice to a jumpseater, and yes, I have become facebook friends with a couple of them. So in summary, chill |
I've only ever had a problem with younger guys on XJT. Had plenty of guys over 60 on AA, WN, FX, you name it - never so much as a foul look from them.
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Originally Posted by B200 Hawk
(Post 1114195)
I hate to be that guy and complain but I have yet to have one older captain be pleasant when it comes to requesting the jumpseat, yes politely. Seems like the younger generation is much more laid back and accommodating. Makes me want to just non rev only wherever I go. Anyone notice this or am I crazy?
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I have had some grumpy old farts on some flights and some super accommodating ones on others. Thats just people....
I have found that the older captains are more likely to inform the gate agent that I must get on, but that is probably just my experience. |
Does it really matter if they are grumpy, civil, friendly, or just want to give your a hug? You asked for, and got a seat.
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Does it really matter if they are grumpy, civil, friendly, or just want to give your a hug? You asked for, and got a seat. |
Originally Posted by B200 Hawk
(Post 1114195)
I hate to be that guy and complain but I have yet to have one older captain be pleasant when it comes to requesting the jumpseat, yes politely. Seems like the younger generation is much more laid back and accommodating. Makes me want to just non rev only wherever I go. Anyone notice this or am I crazy?
When in Rome... I just commute in uniform because I can't stand the dockers/golf shirt look...the clothes I like to wear would be borderline for offline JS. |
I once sat in a jumpseat for two hours with my jaw broken in eight places and needing surgery as soon as we landed. (This is a true story). Technically, the crew could have not allowed me on since you could have considered my medical invalid at the time, so I was grateful for the ride... but my face was swollen to two to three times its normal size and neither pilot once even asked me if I was alright or what happened or anything at all!! Hahah. I was clearly in pain and mentioned I needed surgery as soon as we got to where we were going. They never said a word to me the whole entire flight, just talked amongst themselves. They were both under 40, the FO was probably 25-29.
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Well Like grandma always says when people get older they either get meaner or nicer. I have had the ones the don't say a word and others that do all they can for you one time a older CA stuck us in the lav as we were trying to get back to work after being stuck for 5 days because there was a JS and the back was full.
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Ok side point about spikey hair. I'm an adult, not a punk or a "surfer dude" but I spike my hair, like most people my age these days. It's not 1958, it's annoying when I know the boys who listen to the old music are dismissing me based on a hair style.
At least I have hair to spike, and I am not about to change my ways for a (deleted) ride somewhere. I am not rolling up in jeans and a t shirt either, and yes I managed to drag a razor across my face that morning before people throw the show respect card at me. I really hate dudes that go on a trip about their jumpseat like it is an extension of their dong or something. I commuted way too long, can ya tell?? |
I've always found the grumpiest captains to ask for the jumpseat from are the younger regional lifers- guys in their later 40's or early 50's or so that have gotten somewhat senior for whatever reason and can't viably move on to a real career job, yet aren't happy with where they are at.
Some personal favorites have been in ASA CRJ-700s... yowza! (to be fair I've run into some real characters at least once at every carrier I've routinely jumped on- Pinnacle, ASA, comair, shuttle america, Delta, and Northwest) Me- "Hello sir, my name is xxx, I work at Delta, may I catch a ride with you guys today?" (all the usual credentials extended out) CA- "You aren't going to be riding up front are you?" Me- "Huh.. uh.... maybe? It could go either way right now" CA- "I hope not." (shoves credentials back at me) *crickets Me- "I appreciate the ride...." Some people wonder why they can't get hired elsewhere.... |
What is unbelievable to me is the attitude people seem to have when jumpseating. People should remember jumpseating is an absolute PRIVALEGE and NOT a right because you are an "airline pilot." I remember reading one guy complaining that AA was not offering him international jumpseats. I couldn't believe my eyes. Even at the thought of flying for free anywhere AA flies is enough to make my eyes water. I wonder if some people need to give themselves an attitude check.
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I'm an FO and anytime we have a jumpseater, we do everything we can to accommodate them(PSA). Not a problem on the 700s but it can get tricky with the 200s. Every single captain I flew with welcomed the JSer with maybe GoJet being the exception.
Only had one bad experience JSing. But 99% of the time, all the crews(regionals and mainlines) were very professional and courteous. One that stood out was an AWAC crew that couldn't take a jumpseater. Capt made them put 7-800 lbs of ballasts and the last 20 mins of the flight were flown with spoilers deployed to burn the extra fuel. Couldn't thank them enough!! One time we had a jumpseater, our captain called dispatch to change the required fuel, and de-fueled the airplane. We took a delay but it was worth getting somebody home after a long trip. Be nice to others and it'll come back to you. |
Originally Posted by Confused
(Post 1114414)
Ok side point about spikey hair. I'm an adult, not a punk or a "surfer dude" but I spike my hair, like most people my age these days. It's not 1958, it's annoying when I know the boys who listen to the old music are dismissing me based on a hair style.
At least I have hair to spike, and I am not about to change my ways for a (deleted) ride somewhere. I am not rolling up in jeans and a t shirt either, and yes I managed to drag a razor across my face that morning before people throw the show respect card at me. I'm not sure that you can say people in their 20s (im guessing) mostly spike their hair. At the airlines at least I would say that is presumptuous, I don't. Also, that type of attitude is probably why guys wouldn't want to have a conversation with you. |
Originally Posted by RunnerMark
(Post 1114286)
I once sat in a jumpseat for two hours with my jaw broken in eight places and needing surgery as soon as we landed. (This is a true story). Technically, the crew could have not allowed me on since you could have considered my medical invalid at the time, so I was grateful for the ride... but my face was swollen to two to three times its normal size and neither pilot once even asked me if I was alright or what happened or anything at all!! Hahah. I was clearly in pain and mentioned I needed surgery as soon as we got to where we were going. They never said a word to me the whole entire flight, just talked amongst themselves. They were both under 40, the FO was probably 25-29.
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
(Post 1114474)
I think they might have been a little peeved that you put them in that situation. They could have gotten in trouble for letting you ride. In this case they could play dumb and just say they didn't know you were sick. If your banged up the chief pilots office can positive space you wherever you need to be. That was bad jumpseat ettiquette on your part.
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I never had a bad jumpseating experience but did have a bad jumpseater decided to ride on our aircraft. The mainline FO approached the flight deck and blatantly "told" the Captain that he was going to ride on our jumpseat. As he turned away to chat with the flight attendant, the Captain and I looked at each other and I said -- "did you hear what I did?" As an old fart FO, I decided to help educate my fellow FO. In a calm, polite yet firm tone, I showed him the error of his ways with my final words being -- "and you should know better". He then promptly apologized to both the Captain and me. He then promptly removed himself from the aircraft.
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About 7 years ago I was flying an RJ. A middle aged UPS captain asked for a ride up front. We of course granted it. Once out on the taxiway the airport was closed for departing traffic and we were told to shut down. For another 1 hour we were beat to death with his complaining about how it was utterly insane that UPS only paid him $225,000.00 a year base pay. After listening to him for much too long I pointed to my new hire FO and said to him "do you have any idea how much she makes?" He said "no" and I told him "about $18,000 base" His response took the cake when he said "Well why would you work here?" and then went on about how expensive his kids private school was. Some guys just don't have a clue.
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About 7 years ago I was flying an RJ. A middle aged UPS captain asked for a ride up front. We of course granted it. Once out on the taxiway the airport was closed for departing traffic and we were told to shut down. For another 1 hour we were beat to death with his complaining about how it was utterly insane that UPS only paid him $225,000.00 a year base pay. After listening to him for much too long I pointed to my new hire FO and said to him "do you have any idea how much she makes?" He said "no" and I told him "about $18,000 base" His response took the cake when he said "Well why would you work here?" and then went on about how expensive his kids private school was. Some guys just don't have a clue. Reminds me of a Airways FO who caught a ride on my plane and insisted that his flight kit ride in the cockpit an that we "ask for shortcuts" so he can get there quicker. I told him that hs kit can not ride up front and he was pretty (deleted) Seems like most issues come from mainline guys jumpseating on regionals. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1114419)
I've always found the grumpiest captains to ask for the jumpseat from are the younger regional lifers- guys in their later 40's or early 50's or so that have gotten somewhat senior for whatever reason and can't viably move on to a real career job, yet aren't happy with where they are at.
Some personal favorites have been in ASA CRJ-700s... yowza! (to be fair I've run into some real characters at least once at every carrier I've routinely jumped on- Pinnacle, ASA, comair, shuttle america, Delta, and Northwest) Me- "Hello sir, my name is xxx, I work at Delta, may I catch a ride with you guys today?" (all the usual credentials extended out) CA- "You aren't going to be riding up front are you?" Me- "Huh.. uh.... maybe? It could go either way right now" CA- "I hope not." (shoves credentials back at me) *crickets Me- "I appreciate the ride...." Some people wonder why they can't get hired elsewhere.... |
On a United mainline flight in cruise...
55 year old female CA: "So who do you work for?" Me: "Air Wisconsin." Her: "Who is that??" "Umm... We are a regional that has flown code share and partnered with you for 26 years. We do all of your ASE flying." "Never heard of you." "Oh." "I just don't get you regional people. Why would want to work there? Why don't you just apply to United?" "Are you serious?" "Yes. I am, why do you work there??" "You obviously don't have a clue, I can't even respond to you. And if I did, you wouldn't listen to me anyway... wow." First Officer mouths, "I'm sorry." |
Originally Posted by maxjet
(Post 1114502)
About 7 years ago I was flying an RJ. A middle aged UPS captain asked for a ride up front. We of course granted it. Once out on the taxiway the airport was closed for departing traffic and we were told to shut down. For another 1 hour we were beat to death with his complaining about how it was utterly insane that UPS only paid him $225,000.00 a year base pay. After listening to him for much too long I pointed to my new hire FO and said to him "do you have any idea how much she makes?" He said "no" and I told him "about $18,000 base" His response took the cake when he said "Well why would you work here?" and then went on about how expensive his kids private school was. Some guys just don't have a clue.
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I've only ran across one delta captain that was rude. I am assuming he was an IOE captain and the FO for that flight was brand new. He was very disrespectful to the FO.
Riding with me, FO at ASA, it has been all good except one AA pilot. Can't remember if he was an FO or captain. After push back he began eating a footlong sandwich which was right in my face, RJ-200. While taxing he taps me on the shoulder and ask if I could hold his bag of chips for a moment. Maybe if I had the chance to eat that day between my 6 legs it wouldn't have made me so irritated. |
Originally Posted by RunnerMark
(Post 1114570)
On a United mainline flight in cruise...
55 year old female CA: "So who do you work for?" Me: "Air Wisconsin." Her: "Who is that??" "Umm... We are a regional that has flown code share and partnered with you for 26 years. We do all of your ASE flying." "Never heard of you." "Oh." "I just don't get you regional people. Why would want to work there? Why don't you just apply to United?" "Are you serious?" "Yes. I am, why do you work there??" "You obviously don't have a clue, I can't even respond to you. And if I did, you wouldn't listen to me anyway... wow." First Officer mouths, "I'm sorry." |
Bah, wrong topic. So here's a picture of a llama:
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Originally Posted by syd111
(Post 1114688)
So she just volunteered her age or did you ask?
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Best I ever had was on SWA. They had fuel removed, told a SWA flight that she would have to go and take a later flight and would be on the jumpseat, and they had to deal with the smell of kielbasa and sauerkraut on my breath.
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Originally Posted by syd111
(Post 1114688)
So she just volunteered her age or did you ask?
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I have never had an issue with the friendliness of crews. Both old and young. I have had the chatty crews where we talk the entire time in cruise and I have had the quite crews. I figure if their quite then they are just really tired or the CA and FO aren't really seeing eye to eye that trip.
One time I had an older AA crew that asked me if I was old enough to be an airline pilot or if I'm just wearing a Halloween Costume (it was the day after Halloween). Of coarse they were just giving me a hard time. They were very friendly. |
Originally Posted by PCLCREW
(Post 1114728)
She was prbly one of the women hired straight out of riddle in the early 80s. Most of them don't have a clue because they never had to work their way up.
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Every airline has their 5%ers who make it difficult on the rest of us. It is the one's who go above and beyond who make this job just a little bit easier.
One of those was an ASA captain who was a commuter himself. When the numbers come up, myself, on the JS, and three other NRs would have to get off because there is not enough weight in the back, and there are, apparently, no more sandbags anywhere in ATL that day. We needed about 300 lbs. Just so happened that this was two days after they imploded the old tower. His statement to Ops was great. He told them, "I don't care if you have to haul chunks of concrete over from the old tower, I'm not going until I get the 300lbs." 15 minutes later, 300lbs of SKY magazines arrived. You Sir, deserve this: http://cdn.gunaxin.com/wp-content/up...ain-Morgan.jpg |
I used to commute on ASA from CAE to DFW. Non stops 4 times a day and the crews were absolute Ladies and Gentlemen, kind, and very professional. Thanks to all my friends at "Acey".
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Best I ever had was a CAL mainline capt who was with us when we timed out after a storm hit Newark. When EWR Ops got all snappy about us going back, he said "tell her it's Miller time, and Captain D is buying."
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1114792)
Every airline has their 5%ers who make it difficult on the rest of us. It is the one's who go above and beyond who make this job just a little bit easier.
One of those was an ASA captain who was a commuter himself. When the numbers come up, myself, on the JS, and three other NRs would have to get off because there is not enough weight in the back, and there are, apparently, no more sandbags anywhere in ATL that day. We needed about 300 lbs. Just so happened that this was two days after they imploded the old tower. His statement to Ops was great. He told them, "I don't care if you have to haul chunks of concrete over from the old tower, I'm not going until I get the 300lbs." 15 minutes later, 300lbs of SKY magazines arrived. You Sir, deserve this: http://cdn.gunaxin.com/wp-content/up...ain-Morgan.jpg |
I had a Delta jumpseater the other day who didn't even acknowledge my existence. Gave him a "welcome home" at the conclusion of the flight and he got up to shake the captain's hand, glanced at me with a smug look and got off. I understand it is the 'Captain's jumpseat' but it takes two people to operate the flight, have the decency to be courteous to both of us.
Southwest guys are always the absolute best to jumpseat on. Very classy and always friendly. |
It's pretty hard for a captain to have much conversation with a jumpseater on the vast majority of UA's 757 jumpseats because the (only) jumpseat is directly behind the captain's seat. And in order for me to see the jumpseater without doing an exorcist style neck-twist, I have to slide the seat back where his or her feet used to be. I do my old-guy best though.
Only one guy ever got the hairy eyeball though, and it was Spike, with blue jeans and iPod earbuds. I asked him if he had any real pants in his backpack, and we got along real nice after said yes and put them on. TW |
Originally Posted by ATOflyer
(Post 1114838)
I had a Delta jumpseater the other day who didn't even acknowledge my existence. Gave him a "welcome home" at the conclusion of the flight and he got up to shake the captain's hand, glanced at me with a smug look and got off. I understand it is the 'Captain's jumpseat' but it takes two people to operate the flight, have the decency to be courteous to both of us.
Southwest guys are always the absolute best to jumpseat on. Very classy and always friendly. |
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