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Biannual Upgrade Thread
Ok boys and girls, every so many months we go through this, strictly out of curiosity (and not trying to turn this into a ****ing contest), what's upgrade looking like at your company:
XJT - 5.5 years and improving As usual the friendly disclosure that things change in a minute here and everywhere. |
PDT is about 5 years
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Comair is down to a 2 year upgrade.
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Oops, I meant 20...
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CommutAir is hovering around 1.5 years.
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The CRJ side of ExpressJet (ASA) is 5 yrs 10 months.
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Silver Airways is hiring Street Captains in the BE1900
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TSA is 6 years and rising faster than the space shuttle...
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
(Post 1121518)
TSA is 6 years and rising faster than the space shuttle...
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QX - long.
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
(Post 1121518)
TSA is 6 years and rising faster than the space shuttle...
I'm pretty sure that we're in the negative numbers... The captains here are all counting how long they have until downgrade. |
Any word on compass?
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G7 - 8 months and coming down.
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SkyWest, current as of last week
CRJ 5.5 years. EMB 4.5 years. |
Eagle will be around 5 years as of tonight when the preliminary results of the new Vacancy/Displacement bid will be out, this will reflect the loss of 40% of the ATR fleet!
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[QUOTE=goaround2000;1121772]Any word on compass?[/QUOTE
Right around 3 years, Ive been on property a bit over 18 months and still have 70 numbers to go |
God only knows what it will be when the dust settles at Pinnacolaba.
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Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1121823)
God only knows what it will be when the dust settles at Pinnacolaba.
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Sorry guys not trying to stir anything, just trying to compare and contrast based on past and present situations.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1121416)
Oops, I meant 20...
DTW CRJ 50 = 14 years CVG CRJ 70/90 = 19 years The best part? 80% of our captains are either maxed out on the 18-year pay scale, or back on First Officer pay. Thanks Delta. |
Eagle Upgrade
The preliminary Vacancy/Displacement bid has the most junior Captain in SJU with a hire date of Dec 06, a 5 year upgrade (for the time being)!
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Originally Posted by What
(Post 1121964)
The preliminary Vacancy/Displacement bid has the most junior Captain in SJU with a hire date of Dec 06, a 5 year upgrade (for the time being)!
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Originally Posted by ERJF15
(Post 1122022)
4yrs 11ms to be exact
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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1121840)
Real Comair numbers...
DTW CRJ 50 = 14 years CVG CRJ 70/90 = 19 years The best part? 80% of our captains are either maxed out on the 18-year pay scale, or back on First Officer pay. Thanks Delta. |
AWAC is at 5.5 years and holding steady-ish
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Although Pinnacolaba is a mess right now (and probably for the foreseeable future)... And least it's not THAT bad here. Not yet anyway... :eek:
HOLY COW!!! |
If anyone is looking for this --->
Originally Posted by GT ATCS
(Post 1123881)
Here's my story. I am a controller at a fairly decent sized approach control in the mid atlantic coast. I have been working airplanes for 36 years. I have an ATP, FCC restricted radio telephone operators permit. I have 2325 hours. I am pilot in command Cessna 421, about 500 hours. I have SIC Type Rating in a King Air 350, 545 hrs in the plane, have not flown it since 2007 when our company got rid of it. I have SIC Type Rating in a Citation 750, with about 250 hours. I go to Flight Safety for recurrent training every year in the 421 since 1999. I have a 4 year degree. I don't fly alot, but I can definitely keep the airplane right side up. What do you guys think out there about my chances are of getting hired by a regional are? I can handle the wages because I will have a great pension from the FAA. I know it will not be layovers in Miami or Los Angeles for 36 hours, or making $300,000.00. I understand that and it does not bother me. I am 54 now and it doesn't faze me that the captain will probably considerably younger than me.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1123870)
Sweet Jezus! And I assume you are talking most bottom barrel Captain on reserve? Yikes!
Keep this in mind if you want to: A) Go on strike to raise the bar for all regional pilots, or B) Get bought by your mainline partner. |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1124507)
Keep this in mind if you want to: A) ...raise the bar for all regional pilots, Yeah, you saw what happened to the TSA guys when they tried that. |
Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 1124515)
Yeah, you saw what happened to the TSA guys when they tried that.
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At pinnacle upgrades are 2010 hires!!! Oh wait i am a 4.5 yr Fo and get to watch colgan upgrade after 1yr. How fun!!!!
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At pinnacle upgrades are 2010 hires!!! Oh wait i am a 4.5 yr Fo and get to watch colgan upgrade after 1yr. How fun!!!! |
You think that's bad now? Just wait until the Saabs are parked. All those 2007 and up to Feb 2008 Saab Captains are senior to 2007 and quite a few 2006 Pinnacle CRJ Captains. They will displace into jets as long as their seniority is above the most junior guy in that base and seat. If the Saabs are parked, and that's actually a very likely scenario, then Pinnacle could displace all its Captains out to the bare minimum 541 on the CRJ-200 as required by the quota. This would take upgrades at 9E back to a class date of Aug 2006.
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You think that's bad now? Just wait until the Saabs are parked. All those 2007 and up to Feb 2008 Saab Captains are senior to 2007 and quite a few 2006 Pinnacle CRJ Captains. They will displace into jets as long as their seniority is above the most junior guy in that base and seat. If the Saabs are parked, and that's actually a very likely scenario, then Pinnacle could displace all its Captains out to the bare minimum 541 on the CRJ-200 as required by the quota. This would take upgrades at 9E back to a class date of Aug 2006. Your point is greatly valid, but those training cost would never happen..... That foolish to retrain 500 people |
Originally Posted by rightside02
(Post 1125340)
Your point is greatly valid, but those training cost would never happen..... That foolish to retrain 500 people
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Sad, we are still so divided as a pilot group. Anger over a pilot group regarding a decision made by a neutral 3rd party who was appointed by all 3 groups.
When do we move past that and concentrate on the true issue, the company and their financial doom and gloom. If we are divided, we dont stand a chance. |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1125442)
Sad, we are still so divided as a pilot group. Anger over a pilot group regarding a decision made by a neutral 3rd party who was appointed by all 3 groups.
When do we move past that and concentrate on the true issue, the company and their financial doom and gloom. If we are divided, we dont stand a chance. |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1125442)
Sad, we are still so divided as a pilot group. Anger over a pilot group regarding a decision made by a neutral 3rd party who was appointed by all 3 groups.
When do we move past that and concentrate on the true issue, the company and their financial doom and gloom. If we are divided, we dont stand a chance. |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1125442)
Sad, we are still so divided as a pilot group. Anger over a pilot group regarding a decision made by a neutral 3rd party who was appointed by all 3 groups.
When do we move past that and concentrate on the true issue, the company and their financial doom and gloom. If we are divided, we dont stand a chance. |
Originally Posted by jayray2
(Post 1125518)
Stand a chance against what? In the scenario at hand I don't think it matters much. We are powerless, it is out of our hands. A united pilot group can do nothing to stop the storm on the horizon.
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