CFI to regional: typical stuff
#41
Hello, everyone. I've been reading the forum for a couple years but have never posted. Figured it's time to break the silence and present the issue that so many of you guys and gals have dealt with in the past.
I'm a flight instructor a 141 associated with a university in the Midwest, finishing my degree this May. I've got my apps in with several regionals and meet the mins for XJT, Trans States and ...Eagle. 700TT, 60ME, CFI, CFII, MEI. I've got several friends at Eagle and Pinnacle as well as XJT who went through the same program, served their time instructing, etc.
What advice do you have for someone in my shoes? I have not received any interview offers (probably because I'm not available until May ...graduation, blah blah bah, not to mention the low time) but hope to soon.
Any words of wisdom?
I'm a flight instructor a 141 associated with a university in the Midwest, finishing my degree this May. I've got my apps in with several regionals and meet the mins for XJT, Trans States and ...Eagle. 700TT, 60ME, CFI, CFII, MEI. I've got several friends at Eagle and Pinnacle as well as XJT who went through the same program, served their time instructing, etc.
What advice do you have for someone in my shoes? I have not received any interview offers (probably because I'm not available until May ...graduation, blah blah bah, not to mention the low time) but hope to soon.
Any words of wisdom?
The thing is, this industry changes SO violently. Just a few years prior to that, airlines were hiring with simply wet commercials. Yet right now, things are kinda slow. Not too many regionals hiring anymore. I think XJet and Skywest may be doing some hiring but that too is slowing down. Give it another year or so and you will be working for an airline. I would bet a bottle of beer on it.
So, from someone who was in your situation here is my advice: Get the multi-engine time above all else and avoid questionable sources (SIC in a king air that doesnt require an SIC, safety piloting, back seat MEI time, etc). When the airlines start hiring again, and they will, most of the time multi-engine time is the limiter. Especially if you have a CFI, you'll probably have over 1000 hours, but that doesnt matter if you only have 60 hours multi. So again, get that multi-engine time.
Also, network. It's not to useful to get an airline job since a lot of times airline jobs are "Do you meet the mins? Not too many busted checkrides/skeletons in the closet? Can someone spend 4 days with you? HIRED" (Yes, oversimplified but hey...). Networking is needed to break into corporate or other part 91 flying.
I will counter some advice given earlier: do NOT jump at the first airline that offers you a job without some serious thinking. What is reserve like? Where are their bases? How is the commute if you must commute (which I would advice NOT too)? What is morale like at the company?
You can generally expect pay to be around the same for the first year at most places. To me, pay was one of the LEAST important things. QOL was WAY more important to me: picking an airline that had a base I was likely to get where I lived.
Well, thats all I got for you now. Take it all with a grain of salt because my motives are likely to be different than yours.
Hang in there. It's a ride.
Edit: one more piece of advice: Limit our time here on APC. The negativity abounds (But thats what makes APC, APC).
#42
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just give me a $5200 finders fee and we'll call it even
#43
I was in a similar situation to you almost 3 years ago. I graduated from a midwestern university with all my certificates, ratings and a BS degree and hiring was dry as the Sahara. Even my own school, which hired its own normally could only find a part time position for me getting only a few hours a week. Here's the thing: 2 years later I was getting calls from regionals and ultimately hired.
The thing is, this industry changes SO violently. Just a few years prior to that, airlines were hiring with simply wet commercials. Yet right now, things are kinda slow. Not too many regionals hiring anymore. I think XJet and Skywest may be doing some hiring but that too is slowing down. Give it another year or so and you will be working for an airline. I would bet a bottle of beer on it.
So, from someone who was in your situation here is my advice: Get the multi-engine time above all else and avoid questionable sources (SIC in a king air that doesnt require an SIC, safety piloting, back seat MEI time, etc). When the airlines start hiring again, and they will, most of the time multi-engine time is the limiter. Especially if you have a CFI, you'll probably have over 1000 hours, but that doesnt matter if you only have 60 hours multi. So again, get that multi-engine time.
Also, network. It's not to useful to get an airline job since a lot of times airline jobs are "Do you meet the mins? Not too many busted checkrides/skeletons in the closet? Can someone spend 4 days with you? HIRED" (Yes, oversimplified but hey...). Networking is needed to break into corporate or other part 91 flying.
I will counter some advice given earlier: do NOT jump at the first airline that offers you a job without some serious thinking. What is reserve like? Where are their bases? How is the commute if you must commute (which I would advice NOT too)? What is morale like at the company?
You can generally expect pay to be around the same for the first year at most places. To me, pay was one of the LEAST important things. QOL was WAY more important to me: picking an airline that had a base I was likely to get where I lived.
Well, thats all I got for you now. Take it all with a grain of salt because my motives are likely to be different than yours.
Hang in there. It's a ride.
Edit: one more piece of advice: Limit our time here on APC. The negativity abounds (But thats what makes APC, APC).
The thing is, this industry changes SO violently. Just a few years prior to that, airlines were hiring with simply wet commercials. Yet right now, things are kinda slow. Not too many regionals hiring anymore. I think XJet and Skywest may be doing some hiring but that too is slowing down. Give it another year or so and you will be working for an airline. I would bet a bottle of beer on it.
So, from someone who was in your situation here is my advice: Get the multi-engine time above all else and avoid questionable sources (SIC in a king air that doesnt require an SIC, safety piloting, back seat MEI time, etc). When the airlines start hiring again, and they will, most of the time multi-engine time is the limiter. Especially if you have a CFI, you'll probably have over 1000 hours, but that doesnt matter if you only have 60 hours multi. So again, get that multi-engine time.
Also, network. It's not to useful to get an airline job since a lot of times airline jobs are "Do you meet the mins? Not too many busted checkrides/skeletons in the closet? Can someone spend 4 days with you? HIRED" (Yes, oversimplified but hey...). Networking is needed to break into corporate or other part 91 flying.
I will counter some advice given earlier: do NOT jump at the first airline that offers you a job without some serious thinking. What is reserve like? Where are their bases? How is the commute if you must commute (which I would advice NOT too)? What is morale like at the company?
You can generally expect pay to be around the same for the first year at most places. To me, pay was one of the LEAST important things. QOL was WAY more important to me: picking an airline that had a base I was likely to get where I lived.
Well, thats all I got for you now. Take it all with a grain of salt because my motives are likely to be different than yours.
Hang in there. It's a ride.
Edit: one more piece of advice: Limit our time here on APC. The negativity abounds (But thats what makes APC, APC).
#44
Just out of curiosity, why exactly do you feel you're ready for the next step? I would strongly urge you to get 1000tt and min 100multi. I know that may seem like a lot now, but believe me it isn't. There are many on here who cfi'd well into 1000hrs before getting a crack. With the unfortunate news of AMR/Eagle, you may soon find yourself applying with guys that have 3x the time you have now. Just something to think about.
#46
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Do your future captains a favor a get some real PIC time before you head to the regionals. By real PIC time I mean where someone gives you the keys to an airplane and has you fly it somewhere. I can always tell when an FO I fly with has flown real world PIC vs. just instructing. Don't get me wrong, I've flown with lots FOs who have just a CFI background and they do fine for the most part. But FOs who have other kinds of flying under their belt do much better.
#47
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From: 737 FO
Do your future captains a favor a get some real PIC time before you head to the regionals. By real PIC time I mean where someone gives you the keys to an airplane and has you fly it somewhere. I can always tell when an FO I fly with has flown real world PIC vs. just instructing. Don't get me wrong, I've flown with lots FOs who have just a CFI background and they do fine for the most part. But FOs who have other kinds of flying under their belt do much better.
#48
Just out of curiosity, why exactly do you feel you're ready for the next step? I would strongly urge you to get 1000tt and min 100multi. I know that may seem like a lot now, but believe me it isn't. There are many on here who cfi'd well into 1000hrs before getting a crack. With the unfortunate news of AMR/Eagle, you may soon find yourself applying with guys that have 3x the time you have now. Just something to think about.
#49
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Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate
I would strongly urge you to get 1000tt and min 100multi. I know that may seem like a lot now, but believe me it isn't. There are many on here who cfi'd well into 1000hrs before getting a crack.
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