Pinnacle LOA 21
 

Apparently the definition of a junior assignment has been changed. LOA 21 states that if a pilot has to work into their say off due to weather or other events outside of the company’s control, that pilot is no being junior assigned. That pilot will receive 150% pay (Instead of 200%) for the flights worked on their day off and no compensatory day. Prior to this LOA when you worked on a scheduled day off, you got 200% pay and a comp day.

So when the company cancels your flight out of Toronto and makes you spend the night there and work on your scheduled day off, you are not being junior manned. According to scheduling, “Why would you receive a comp day just because you worked on one of your days off?”

Why would ALPA agree to this?

Did this happen to you? I don't really understand the situation, but it sounds like you're owed 200% and a comp day.

It did happen to me, and I was told I would receive 200% and a comp day. Then when I checked my credit for the end of January, I saw that they removed the junior man code and the credit. After a 2-hour conversation, I was directed towards LOA 21 that states if you are extended into your day off for reasons beyond the control o the company, you are not being junior manned.

Is this in fact a new LOA? If so, why weren't we made aware of it? I'm so sick and tired of this crap. What did we get in return? Is this in the best interest of the group?

Go team alpa...

I love seeing my money hard at work, way to go mesabuh.

Was your flight back to base cancelled?

I'm pretty sure the intent of the LOA is to cover delays but not a flight cancellation.

It was cancelled because of weather.

The above is correct. At an outstation, when your flight is suppose to come back but cancels due to Wx, Mx, or ATC, then you still "owe" the company the return portion back to base. You will be put in rest and then operate after the rest period. If that ends up going into your day off, the company and ALPA's view is that it was not a re-assignment, it's a continuation of your original assignment and you owe it to them. Personally, I think it's BS. A day off is still a day off. In this case, you should have the option to be released out of base, and go home, while they fly someone on reserve into that city and have them operate it the next day. Or have a reserve pilot deadhead the next day on the first flight from base to your city where the plane is, and then operate back. But that's not what happens.

To answer your last question, because ALPA is full of spineless people or those trying to make it to ALPA National.

Any LOA that changes any wording or definition in your CBA requires a pilot group vote before they can implement the changes!

No it doesn't. This LOA was done between the union ALPA and management, with no vote by the pilot group. We the pilots vote in our ALPA members and then hope they represent our interests. Many times, they don't.

Yeah, that's it. Good thing guys like you are around to keep things in check.
Thanks for another ignorant statement among the many ignorant statements from blowhards on these silly message boards. :rolleyes:

To add to this, back pre-TA, the XJ union was the "creme of the crop" in both balls and communication according to 100% of XJ pilots and 30-40% of 9e pilots and 100% of Colgan pilots. Hence why they won most positions in the elections post-TA. Just wondering if the opinions have changed more toward agreeing with the 9e minority "we told ya so" crowd....seems like there is as much complaining now, if not more, than pre-merger.

no, spineless is spreading BS know-it-all economic info as fact from an "anonymous" name on a public forum......

I didn't spread anything incorrect about the upcoming bankruptcy. It's just a matter of time, and even Menke has hinted at it.

oh what short selective memory you have. See you closed thread you titled "the latest Pinnacle Fact until the mods changed it.....

you yourself said....
The latest Pinnacle RUMOR!!...
9E is looking to divest its ATL 900s and the entire Colgan operation. There's a lot going on behind the scenes right now with management and those who have signed NDAs.

That wasn't a rumor, that was fact published in the Commerical Appeal, a local MEM newspaper. And no, I never closed any thread, thank your moderators for that.

Sorry I left out the R. Of course you didn't close your own thread.

I live in MEM and subscribe to the CA. Show me where it says that as fact. And if you indeed saw it there, why not publish your source rather than imply "you heard it here first folks! Looked into my crystal ball" Journalists have a word for that.....Plagiarism
a search through my hard copies and search on the CA website have not mentioned the word "divesting" anything by Pinnacle, much less the Colgan side and 900.

I can tell you this is untrue. Scheduling may have given it to you, but it wasn't due to you in the contract. I ran into this scenario myself and one of the union reps in SOC explained to me that in the contract a junior assignment is an extra assignment, not just a delayed return, so they had to work an LOA for this situation.

Back to ShyGuy...

Guys this is old news. I know a crewmember who found out the MEC vice chair was sending emails to Crew Scheduling behind the pilot groups back with his interpretation of a section of our CBA, taking the company's side on it. He didn't even bother to tell the pilot group about it, just decided it was ok for the company to interpret it their way and sent the email authorizing it, even though our CBA specifically says they can't do it their way...

I think the crewmember is still trying to get a copy of the email from anybody. Everybody refuses to release it. This happened about 3 months ago...

OMG!!!!! It's a conspiracy!!! The MEC must be working to destroy the lives of the pilots they represent. Yeah, that's it. What a bunch of friggin' morons around here.....

Run Chicken Little, Run!!!!

The definition of Junior assignment hasn't changed since the original JCBA was signed. If you looked at the definition of a Junior Assignment or extension and the examples below it, you will always see that it does not include weather or mx delays that were out of the company's control. The union negotiated to get the operational delay into a day off so we didn't get shafted completely. Until LOA 21, we got nothing but straight pay. Now the company is required to try to get us home, pay us 150% and if we get back after 1700 local than a comp day.

They negotiated LOA 21 after enough people including myself got completely screwed.

Way too much logic in this post. You are supposed to cry and moan, that's how others do it.

Hahaha!! Well played Juice!

Love it. Facts. How about that. nice to see a well researched, documented post for once.

Ironic. 10chars.

Plus 1
Lay off the guy. He is not alone with this thought. Maybe ALPA should get to know the people the "represent".