Respectful RAH/Frontier Pilot Conversation
 

This is a test to determine whether or not it is possible to have a respectful and constructive conversation between "native" Republic pilots and Frontier Airlines pilots.

Go for it. Only 9 more respectful posts and I'll be proven wrong.:)

Does anyone respect RAH?

Should they? :p

Thanks for the attempt. Do you think I need to post this aboutb7 more times

I took an RAH jumpseater on my aircraft lanyard and all. Even went out of my way to get him a bottle of water. He was not expecting it at all.
RAH Bro's and Sis's you are welcome on my aircraft anytime.
8 more to go. We will negate post 2 and 3

would you still expect an rah pilot (lanyard and all), to stop by the cockpit on a company deadhead?

Yes! Another crew resource in the back. A simple hello would suffice. " Hello I am RAH Bro/Sis and I am deadheading in the back. Seat X, if you need any assistance I would be glad to help." Our two companies have different views on this. Respect ours and I will respect yours. 6 more to go!

Double or nothing if we make it to 20? Or do you feel safer taking the $10.00? Kind of like Deal or No Deal.

I'll see what I can do about getting Samballs avitar to hand deliver to you.

Just create and account on the IBT message board and you can have much more success than you will here.

Too bad, was a good try. But it seems we have our winner here.

You know how we (99% of F9 pilots) feel about that (ibt). I will NEVER join ibt. They were forced upon us.

Since the law says I must pay for them to represent me (:rolleyes:), I will pay for that - as a dues paying Objector Only; but Not a penny more, and again - NEVER as a member.

The lanyard thing is somewhat childish. I have taken many rah/bros on My jumpseat with them wearing their/your ibt lanyard. I have Never denied them a seat for that or any other reason.

I also have ridden in the rah/bro's rj's JS, without wearing anything union or association related. Why?

Because common courtsey reveals how much of a 'slap in the face' it is to either party. Maybe this is where the maturity lies. idk.

I does appear though that Mulva was correct in that APC does seem to attract many Griefers and the like.

does anyone else see the irony of a guy with a giant middle finger avatar starting a thread about sitting around a campfire holding hands singing kumbaya?

mulva is a walking contradiction. a true flamebaiter that tries hard to sit atop his pedastal while inciting conflict all around.

with as much time as he spends on here, if he would spend half that much time dealing with the bigger issues that airline actually has positive things might actually be happening. instead he comes on here stirring up topics that he knows very well are only gonna get ugly, then points the finger at others claiming they are the ones that lack professionalism.

such a walking contradiction, or in this case a typing one!

Not to mention FAPA INVEST avatar with tools is much better? I do know Mulva personally and you are actually dead wrong about him.
Positive things are happening for F9 but it seems that RAH Bro's and Sis's don't seem to be joining our enthusiasm.
Back to our Kumbaya camp fire roasting Marsh mellows!
Didn't make to 10. Damn!

I can't speak to what it is like on the line, but as for this and other message boards you should all, in equal measures as groups and to degrees individually, be ashamed of your behavior.

It is F9 people that get all worked up about the lanyards..
I use F9 to JS to/from work all the time.. They are all bunch of high class people .. Everyone have their 2%s :)

Have a good day..

I commute on F9 frequently too. Great bunch of people. Like some other RAH posters here, I've only wished you and the former Midwesters the best. (Nasty Rat not included as my goodwill only goes so far) As far as the lanyard goes, really, who cares? I've written before that I think it's silly to wear one when deadheading or commuting on Frontier because of the unfairness of the IMSL arbitration. Yes, as a native RAH person I believe the Frontier FOs were hosed. There's no way I should be above them on a combined aviation seniority list. Regionals have less value than Majors. But that's my opinion and just an opinion and therefore inconsequential. To my bros: why rub salt in a wound? Be a decent person and take the silly lanyard off when riding Frontier. I don't condone Frontier peeps getting wrapped around the axle over a lanyard but I certainly understand where their emotion is coming from. As should any intelligent person with a little bit of empathy for their fellow man. But in the end, it's an accessory. Is this still Junior High? I learned a long time ago to see past accessories while discovering the true nature of a person.

I post less and less all the time and this will probably be my last. I'll still lurk from time to time to get gouge on places I want to move on to but most of these threads turn toxic and useless pretty quickly. Good luck to all of you at Frontier, all the former Midwest folks, and to all my peers at RAH. As always, everyone is welcome on board my flights and if I know you're back there I'll ensure that if there's an open seat in first you'll be in it.

Is this anything like a leafer?

Ttttttttrying to be civil.

RAH pilots are better lovers.

Sorry Sizzle. They won't let me.

Hmmmm? I'm thinking we definitely didn't make it to 20. I'll let the rest of you all determine whether I need to mail that $10.00 bill to Colonels.

Hey mccube5. Don't be dissin' my avatar. I like the nuclear flaming salute. I guess I could always bring back my Boise State Airbus avatar or the milk cow with RAH branded on the side. It's all part of the fun.


"Walking contradiction"?

Because of my avatar? Huh? Criticize me for what I say. We can debate all you want and I will even admit when I see your point (I have many times in the past).

"True flamebaiter"?

When? Like I said, closest thing in a long time are my recent comments to Loooolllleeeeeeetttttttaaaa which, by the way, are actually my honest assumptions. For the sake of Loooollllleeeeeetttttttaaaaa, I hope he/she proves me wrong.

"Pedastal"?

Just a 6 year FO with an honest opinion.

"With as much time as he spends on here"

270ish posts in the last year. Averages out to about 5 a week. Don't get too used to me around here because I tend to come and go.

Later.

Does anyone second this? Looks like I can add this effort to my list of failures. Sorry Colonels.

Why do lanyards matter again? I'm always wearing mine because it holds my ID, license, medical, and I'd lose it in a heart beat if I didn't have it. The fact it says IBT is because it was a freebie I received after my one saying RAH had a few years on it and was fading through. To get bothered about that shows how far off the ball people's eyes are. Not everything is a protest.

Nice post! Respectful and level headed. Maybe you should stick around and see if you can help turn things around here at APC.

I guess not Mulva. Everyone knows that its hard to be adults on this forum more than 25% of the time. Boy I tell ya, it would be nice though!

Wait... you mean I've been departing from standard practice when I say hello when deadheading on RAH?

Very Nice!

It was a completely true statement. If people cannot join they probably know the reason why. On the IBT board you will interact far more than you would here due to larger participation. Make an effort people if you really want something constructive with a forum...

NO Sir. You are Incorrect.

To have access to your (ibt) website, forums, etc, you must register and be a Member. Objectors are Not members.

Again, I will NEVER be one (a member of ibt).

:)

Gawd...you're little tantrums are more amusing than my 3 year old's..

What is Really funny is your tantrums and complete disregard for someone trying to fight for their career.

You seem to think we should roll over hand you everything, and move on our merry way.

No way. We will fight till the end to protect what we EARNED.

And fir the record, your posts (if one reviews them) mostly resemble a 4yr olds.

Enjoy your day.

Thank you for another example of a tantrum. Comical. Carry on.

Belive it or not, the lanyards were made before the the F9 deal went down. Distrbiuted long before the integration process started. It all stems from "our" contract negotiations, not an IBT vs FAPA thing. A pilot unity thing. I could see how the F9 guys do not like it. I see how they got strong armed into the IBT. It was a pure numbers thing. Would I be upset if I were in their shoes? Sure, but I think I would move on. Life is too short for this crap.

Working on it.

BOLO, FAULTPUSH, MULVA:

You three are the most vocal F9 pilots on here. You want to have a respectful conversation then how about dropping an ATTA BOY for your FELLOW crew members out in EWR last night who landed their plane with no nose gear, kept a level head and did a fantastic job.

I know both of them had their IBT lanyards on and I gurantee it did not make one bit of difference! Whether you like it or not we pilots over here at RAH are just as qualified and experienced as you awsome airbus pilots. Can these two pilots have your blessing now? can they grace your cockpit? or are we still just regional pilots who don't know how to fly?

The CA on that flight probably has more experience than half of F9's list he is one of our best, I have had the pleasure of flying with him many times.

I was staying out of this thread because it was rediculous that we hate each other for no reason other than a circumstance none of us had control over. You want to have a respectful conversation and can't even give Kuddos to the pilots you share a company with?

This makes me sick........Continue arguing over how we hold our badges!

Seriously? I am a third of the way down the F/O list...been flying since '79' for a living since '91' and have 14000+ hrs...... I think I am about average for a F9 F/O

I am working on it as well. Please refer to Mulva's Avatar(the Unicorn part).

I am not arguing over the badges,but your BS rant I will not over look.
Who said we were more awesome than you? I feel an inferior/insecurity complex going on here. I will tell you that OUR pilots at F9 have worked very hard to keep this ship a float. I also know that your pilots have worked very hard to keep things going at RAH. We are not going to allow you to come over with open arms and sing Kumbaya with you while jumping seniority. Majority of you considered us leeches siphoning money from RAH. But now we are going to separate and you all want is our pay and our seats. Not going to happen!
If you do want to start where I started at F9 then I will welcome you with open arms.
In the end BB and gang purchased F9 and unfortunately it was at your expense. In the end BB and gang think they will make F9 work and reap the rewards for taking the risk.
I wish you and your group the best of luck.
By the way I just found out tonight about the 170 in EWR and want to say to the crew GREAT job!

Can't help but overlook it as I have run the tank dry with the shiny Airbus discussion. They can think what they want to think if it makes em feel better.


I just found out 2 minutes ago by reading this thread. Sounds like some excellent airman-ship. I'll look forward to reading more about it when I find an article.

Commuter jet from Atlanta lands safely without nose gear down at Newark airport in New Jersey - The Washington Post

I had not heard about it either, looks like they did a nice job. "Atta boy(s)"!

Thread in the Safety forum: Shuttle America emergency landing in EWR

An article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/ny...in-newark.html

Ok, since we are having a 'respectful' conversation, I'll chime in. This is for the outspoken F9 guys (FAULTPUSH, Bolo, etc.)

I hear constant remarks about us native RAH pilots 'stealing seniority'. I try to see the situation from your point of view to fully understand your viewpoints, but fail to understand the blaming and disrespect toward line pilots over it. Here's a little about the bottom of the IMSL: As a spring '08 hire I ended up junior to all of the Lynx pilots, and I certainly don't agree with it. From a DOH point of view, I am junior to Lynx pilots hired well after I was. From a 'career potential' standpoint (which is how they did so well in the integration) I fail to see to being a junior turboprop FO at a bankrupt airline holds so much more career potential than a furloughed FO at the airline buying up that bankrupt airline.

The biggest difference between your situation and mine is that yours is basically hypothetical, but I'm going actually be affected. Come April, I'll be bumped down in base (and farther from holding DEN as a base) because of the incoming displaced Lynx pilots. Here is why I say your situation, flying the Airbus with native RAH pilots you feel should be junior to you, is hypothetical:

1.) The vast majority of the RAH pilots senior enough to cause you heartburn in 6.5 years, are east-coaster live-in-base types that have no intentions of uprooting their families to move to DEN (or commute) to 'steal' your seats.

2.) The vast majority of junior CA/senior FO types have no intentions of being employed by RAH in 6.5. Most are miserable at this airline and are looking for the opportunity to start at the bottom of major airline, just like you did. An integrated F9 spot is not something most of these people are even considering.

3.) All this bickering is probably for not anyway. F9 is likely to been spun off/sold, and the IMSL will mean nothing. Most RAH are perfectly fine with that.

To generalize, I would wager that the only people that might be interested in a spot at F9 are people like myself - VERY junior (i.e. stuck at Republic for the foreseeable future) AND are west coasters. Even if the IMSL stuck, we'd be below you anyway. Personally, I'm fine with that. Of course with 2200+ pilots there will be exceptions to what I am saying, but promise you this is generally correct. We are not some big group of lying, cheating, inexperienced pimple-faced 22-year old flight instructors drooling and clamoring to bump you down in your airplane as someone (FAPA maybe?) paints us to be.

I certainly don't agree with how I was integrated, particularly when it comes to Lynx. I will be DIRECTLY affected by it as well in April. I however, will welcome Lynx with open arms unlike how you treat us. I know better than to blame line pilots, and I do understand their situations suck for them too. Many can't hold DEN anymore, some were CA's and are now downgraded etc. This situation sucks for all of us, but I won't be flipping them off in the jet bridge over it.

Sorry for the novel, but one more question for you...What would you have done differently? You all say you earned your spots at F9, so I'm sure many of you were at regional airlines prior. Try to imagine being an RAH pilot and tell me what you would have done differently. Would you have:

Voted FAPA?
Voted RPC?
Quit your job? (That'll show 'em!)

These are the only possible answers I can think you may say, besides just not being born in the first place. You may not realize that there was many of our pilots very unhappy with IBT when the previous EXCO was just coming into office. I would say many were at least willing to consider other union leadership. That quickly changed as things transpired. The 'staple the regional scum' proposal wasn't exactly a hit, the anger and jumpseat denials over IBT lanyards didn't help, nor did the all-too-often one-fingered salutes from F9 pilots in the halls of DEN. At the risk of sounding like a "you started it" guy, I would say that many who would have considered FAPA at some point, were quickly turned back toward IBT by the anger and resentment resonating from that side of the house. You often speak of the IBT's antics behind closed doors. Well, maybe you speak the truth, but I wasn't there, and only can go by what was communicated to me as a line pilot. By the way, during the card drive, I got some real interesting information from FAPA and RPC.......nothing! The only entity I received ANY communication from during the card drive period was IBT. The communication was also professional. I have never read nor heard and ill word from the IBT about your pilot group or union leadership in their communications to us as a pilot group. Ever. So, what would you have done?

I jumpseat F9 very frequently and find the majority of the crews there to be very professional. I just wish some of you would get off your battle thrones. I still see nasty glances, and occasional remarks when jumpseating. I don't wear my IBT garb as a show of respect (since it upsets some of you), but see hypocrisy in guys who get upset at those lanyards, sporting FAPA lanyards themselves.

If you think I've stolen something from you, I'd be happy to enlighten you as to what my life is like as a 4th year FO, once furloughed, making peanuts for pay, commuting to a crappy reserve schedule at a company that abuses their reserves. I'll gladly hand over whatever it is you think is yours.