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Commuters: beware UA/CO carry on policy
Carry-on policy ensures speedier boarding during busy travel weekend Posted February 17, 2012
It's President's Day weekend, and that means we'll be seeing increased travel around our U.S. operations. This weekend and every day, enforcing our carry-on bag policy can speed the boarding process and increase space for customers' items. Our current policy allows each passenger one carry-on bag not to exceed 45 linear inches and one personal item (1 1). There are two exceptions, however. First, in-cabin pets no longer count against the 1 1 limit. Second, only working or deadheading Inflight Services or Flight Operations co-workers are exempt from the 1 1 limit. Non-working Inflight Services or Flight Operations co-workers, including commuters, are no longer exempt from the 1 1 limit except for their flight bags. This flight bag exception applies only to mainline co-workers. The FAA and United Quality Assurance auditors are monitoring enforcement of this policy, and non-compliance could result in fines. You may read details of the combined program at continental.com or united.com. |
Originally Posted by BHopper88
(Post 1137675)
Carry-on policy ensures speedier boarding during busy travel weekend Posted February 17, 2012
It's President's Day weekend, and that means we'll be seeing increased travel around our U.S. operations. This weekend and every day, enforcing our carry-on bag policy can speed the boarding process and increase space for customers' items. Our current policy allows each passenger one carry-on bag not to exceed 45 linear inches and one personal item (1 1). There are two exceptions, however. First, in-cabin pets no longer count against the 1 1 limit. Second, only working or deadheading Inflight Services or Flight Operations co-workers are exempt from the 1 1 limit. Non-working Inflight Services or Flight Operations co-workers, including commuters, are no longer exempt from the 1 1 limit except for their flight bags. This flight bag exception applies only to mainline co-workers. The FAA and United Quality Assurance auditors are monitoring enforcement of this policy, and non-compliance could result in fines. You may read details of the combined program at continental.com or united.com. |
Carry-on policy ensures speedier boarding during busy travel weekend Posted February 17, 2012 It's President's Day weekend, and that means we'll be seeing increased travel around our U.S. operations. This weekend and every day, enforcing our carry-on bag policy can speed the boarding process and increase space for customers' items. Our current policy allows each passenger one carry-on bag not to exceed 45 linear inches and one personal item (1 1). There are two exceptions, however. First, in-cabin pets no longer count against the 1 1 limit. Second, only working or deadheading Inflight Services or Flight Operations co-workers are exempt from the 1 1 limit. Non-working Inflight Services or Flight Operations co-workers, including commuters, are no longer exempt from the 1 1 limit except for their flight bags. This flight bag exception applies only to mainline co-workers. The FAA and United Quality Assurance auditors are monitoring enforcement of this policy, and non-compliance could result in fines. You may read details of the combined program at continental.com or united.com. |
Guess it's going to be time to start getting flights out late because you had to go to baggage claim to get your friggin' flight kit.
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Guess it's going to be time to start getting flights out late because you had to go to baggage claim to get your friggin' flight kit. |
Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 1137699)
Guess it's going to be time to start getting flights out late because you had to go to baggage claim to get your friggin' flight kit.
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It says flight case is exempt...
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
(Post 1137716)
It says flight case is exempt...
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Maybe one day they will charge us for coffee too.
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Yet another reason to commute in uniform.
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Commuting even in uniform won't except you either.
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I read it to mean you can carry three bags. The regular 1-1 limit (a roll aboard and a personal bag) AND your flight case (it says the flight case is exempt).
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Then the next sentence says "This flight bag exception applies only to mainline co-workers.". So 1 bag and personal item. Thus if u have your rollerboard suitcase, a bag for your headset/etc, a lunch bag, and those with jep cases would have to be consolidated or checked to maintain the 1 and 1 rule. ENJOY. We all know there are certain gate agents that will use this against us pilots just to show us they have power.
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Mainline only I hope. Commuting home today from a TDY, have to take all 3 bags with me 1-1 and flight case, can't leave anything here.
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Mainline only I hope. Commuting home today from a TDY, have to take all 3 bags with me 1-1 and flight case, can't leave anything here.
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
(Post 1137675)
Carry-on policy ensures speedier boarding during busy travel weekend Posted February 17, 2012
Non-working Inflight Services or Flight Operations co-workers, including commuters, are no longer exempt from the 1 1 limit except for their flight bags. This flight bag exception applies only to mainline co-workers. The FAA and United Quality Assurance auditors are monitoring enforcement of this policy, and non-compliance could result in fines. |
If worse comes to worse, stay polite and sweet-talk the agent into a grabbing a gate-check, festoon your bag with crew tags, and then on arrival run down the jetway stairs to get it at your arrival city before they toss it over to baggage claim. I do this whenever I board last and there is no space in the cabin, which is more often than not anyway if I've got the whole bag-train behind me.
Thanks for the heads up. |
If worse comes to worse, stay polite and sweet-talk the agent into a grabbing a gate-check, festoon your bag with crew tags, and then on arrival run down the jetway stairs to get it at your arrival city before they toss it over to baggage claim. I do this whenever I board last and there is no space in the cabin, which is more often than not anyway if I've got the whole bag-train behind me. Thanks for the heads up. I can't imagine what they would think when I run onto a SIDA ramp to grab (what is now a checked bag) that I plan on bringing back up inside a sterile secure area. |
Been dealing with this for a while. Im to the point where i wont take all of my bags on board even if the gate tries to let me. If they want this policy, they can have it. Every flight after a deadhead im scheduled to fly will be delayed due to this. No skin off my back. The more flights are delayed, the more likely they are going to start using common sense.....or maybe not
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
(Post 1137822)
Been dealing with this for a while. Im to the point where i wont take all of my bags on board even if the gate tries to let me. If they want this policy, they can have it. Every flight after a deadhead im scheduled to fly will be delayed due to this. No skin off my back. The more flights are delayed, the more likely they are going to start using common sense.....or maybe not
So if you are deadheading, you are exempt. |
Originally Posted by FlyingKat
(Post 1137772)
Why would the FAA care if a non working crewmember is mainline or not? All they care about is the bag count. Sounds fishy to me. Looks like this is market driven and not Fed driven, and Unical is worried about ticking their own crews off, hence the exemption for mainline only.
Also, it is not about ticking off the UniCal crews. Mainline UAL pilots do not have flight cases anymore since they went to ship sets for all their manuals and charts. Mainline CAL does not have that yet. Hence we need the exemption to carry our flight case above the 1 + 1 limit. This was put out because CAL DHs on UAL flights were getting contentious with UAL agents over the issue of flight crews having three bags. I'll be glad to not carry the thing and free up space, but until then I've got three bags on board if it's not a day trip. |
Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive:1137876
Originally Posted by flyguy23
(Post 1137822)
Been dealing with this for a while. Im to the point where i wont take all of my bags on board even if the gate tries to let me. If they want this policy, they can have it. Every flight after a deadhead im scheduled to fly will be delayed due to this. No skin off my back. The more flights are delayed, the more likely they are going to start using common sense.....or maybe not
So if you are deadheading, you are exempt. I saw that, but a good majority of the gate agents ive dealt with have made me check it while dead heading. Not worth the fight to me. |
Check it, go get it from baggage claim at your destination, then go back through security and if the outbound flight you're working is delayed, put it on United and this silly policy.
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If the airlines REALLY wanted to speed up boarding, they'd can all their idiotic preferred boarding schemes and just board the planes from the back to the front, period.
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Originally Posted by thurberm
(Post 1137930)
If the airlines REALLY wanted to speed up boarding, they'd can all their idiotic preferred boarding schemes and just board the planes from the back to the front, period.
The studies on boarding efficiency can't really take into account these elite boarding variables. Funny how we process engineer every bit of a flight departure then throw it all away so easily. |
The boarding process is completely overcomplicated bull****. Have you ever watched a Unical flight board? I'm almost embarrassed to be affiliated with an airline that has such a retarded boarding procedure.
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The boarding process is completely overcomplicated bull****. Have you ever watched a Unical flight board? I'm almost embarrassed to be affiliated with an airline that has such a retarded boarding procedure. Not including preboards etc... |
Originally Posted by DENpilot
(Post 1137973)
The boarding process is completely overcomplicated bull****. Have you ever watched a Unical flight board? I'm almost embarrassed to be affiliated with an airline that has such a retarded boarding procedure.
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That 10am bank is the craziest thing i have ever seen. UAL really needs to stagger some of those departures.
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Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 1137699)
Guess it's going to be time to start getting flights out late because you had to go to baggage claim to get your friggin' flight kit.
See how quickly this policy is reversed. |
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 1137995)
We blocked out LITERALLY 20 min late in DEN the other day because my FO couldn't get a word in on ramp with all the AC's calling on top of each other to push. We finally just gave up and waited for you all to leave. Boarding is the LEAST of our issues at United. Embarrassed? The feeling is mutual
Aren't you guys allowed to drop the brake, THEN call for push? If not, sorry, sounds like ANOTHER asinine policy from management. If you ARE able, you're getting paid by the hour, right? :D |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1137777)
Dude, this seriously sounds like a great way to get your behind busted by TSA.
I can't imagine what they would think when I run onto a SIDA ramp to grab (what is now a checked bag) that I plan on bringing back up inside a sterile secure area. Beats me, man. |
On mainline flights aren't all the crew bags in the cabin in the overheads or flight deck??
I commute regularly and have never seen a mainline pilot go out on the ramp to retrieve his/her bag. |
not if your stuck boarding last waiting for a seat, its almost easier to drop the bag at the door vs hit everyone in each row trying to jam it in whatever shoecubby size hole is left, i almost prefer leaving my bags at the door on express flights, less stuff = easier.
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Originally Posted by captain152
(Post 1138041)
On mainline flights aren't all the crew bags in the cabin in the overheads or flight deck??
I commute regularly and have never seen a mainline pilot go out on the ramp to retrieve his/her bag. |
Originally Posted by blastoff
(Post 1138052)
I've seen it regularly at IAH. That's what the Yellow CAL crew tags are for, they leave the bag either next to the belt loader or just sitting on the belt loader waiting for the pilot to come get it (Jumpseaters) instead of them going to baggage claim.
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Originally Posted by flybywire44
(Post 1137730)
Yet another reason to commute in uniform.
It doesn't matter if you are in uniform. If you are not working the flight and your are not a mainline employee, then you can only bring a carryon and a personal item. |
Originally Posted by EWRflyr
(Post 1137881)
Actually it is partially fed driven as our baggage policy is submitted to the TSA/FAA which they can check for compliance.
Also, it is not about ticking off the UniCal crews. Mainline UAL pilots do not have flight cases anymore since they went to ship sets for all their manuals and charts. Mainline CAL does not have that yet. Hence we need the exemption to carry our flight case above the 1 + 1 limit. This was put out because CAL DHs on UAL flights were getting contentious with UAL agents over the issue of flight crews having three bags. I'll be glad to not carry the thing and free up space, but until then I've got three bags on board if it's not a day trip. I used to be a gate agent, and have been part of an FAA audit. I understand about weight and balance. My point was that an FAA inspector isn't going to give a rip if you work for mainline or not if you are commuting. All they are going to care about is how many bags you are carrying onto the aircraft for weight and balance. The fact that mainline crews flight cases are exempt tells me that this is more about bin space than the FAA. If this were driven by the FAA, then all cases, no matter who carries them, would come under the 1+1 rule. |
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 1137995)
We blocked out LITERALLY 20 min late in DEN the other day because my FO couldn't get a word in on ramp with all the AC's calling on top of each other to push. We finally just gave up and waited for you all to leave. Boarding is the LEAST of our issues at United. Embarrassed? The feeling is mutual
My personal favorite was watching an Airbus come barreling onto the ramp at 6W without talking to anyone. He got halfway down CS before Ramp questioned him. His response? "We called 4 times, but since we couldn't get a word it, we just continued." |
Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
(Post 1137709)
I think I remember a memo saying this was for deadheading crews as well. Does UniCal really expect crews to go out to baggage claim in DEN/ORD/IAD to retrieve their flight kits?
Was told that there was no room (there was) and I would have to check it. There is no gate delivery other than strollers so yes, I did have to go out to baggage claim to claim my bags. There are many mainline folks who just look at us as undesirables on their airplane and do this out of spite. Thankfully cases like this are rare. No, I wasn't PO'd at all......:mad: |
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