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FIIGMO 03-08-2012 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by RonWeasley (Post 1148058)
There are several 91 operators flying the type, MWR Racing and NASCAR for openers.


I am very good friends with the CP at MWR and they use outside vendors for perf data. My point is few 91 operators will use it. As a former PIC on a CRJ the g whiz stuff only goes so far then one has to go with reality. If you think load plan is wrong and pull out the PDA for your argument, you first mistake will be to pull out the PDA. I wish I could program an APP like that. Many kudos! But regs and laws are just that. Lawyers are every where. Part 91 is fine, anything else is too risky....

PerpetualFlyer 03-08-2012 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1148069)
I am very good friends with the CP at MWR and they use outside vendors for perf data. My point is few 91 operators will use it. As a former PIC on a CRJ the g whiz stuff only goes so far then one has to go with reality. If you think load plan is wrong and pull out the PDA for your argument, you first mistake will be to pull out the PDA. I wish I could program an APP like that. Many kudos! But regs and laws are just that. Lawyers are every where. Part 91 is fine, anything else is too risky....

Dude, get your panties out of a wad. It's for plannin purposes ONLY as the op stated. Its for when your up at the gate and the gate agent is asking how many you can take and so you can know if the dude trying to Jumpseat home will be able to get on the flight.

jaded 03-08-2012 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1148069)
I am very good friends with the CP at MWR and they use outside vendors for perf data. My point is few 91 operators will use it. As a former PIC on a CRJ the g whiz stuff only goes so far then one has to go with reality. If you think load plan is wrong and pull out the PDA for your argument, you first mistake will be to pull out the PDA. I wish I could program an APP like that. Many kudos! But regs and laws are just that. Lawyers are every where. Part 91 is fine, anything else is too risky....

FIIGMO, in the end, you don't take off with the data from my app it would be impossible (firstly, it states on the app itself "For planning purposes only, Caution; balance is not calculated, secondly, it does not provide stab trims, v speeds etc..., and thirdly if you use an iPhone app to calculate your actual take off data you probably deserve to take off out of CG and crash) Ok JK on the last one, that was kind of harsh. Point being, my app does exactly what you'd do anyway when you're sitting at the flight deck on your FMS before you send your final numbers away... which is; put erroneous data on the Perf page and juggle numbers that "might" work.

Not that it makes a difference but Mesaba used to have a cell phone app running off some off brand flip phone style phone crunching the "legal" numbers for Saab W&B. So using a phone for legal weight and balance in 121 ops is not unheard of...

samballs 03-08-2012 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1148050)
When you are up in front of the FAA and their attorney's explaining why you used a phone app to calculate the W&B for your flight instead of using the certified company numbers or approved vendor numbers? So again what is the point??

If you are going to sell the data to individuals, please provide the under writer that you will use for insurance purposes. Good idea, but how would anyone legally use it? Part 91 maybe anything else is a liability. Like the idea, just not sure if one looks at the legal risks it would be worth it for anything other than part 91 ops. If one can even find a 91 CL-65 operator that does not use a licensed flight planning service... Just sayin

Holy crap do you get nervous about driving past police stations etc. Planning purposes.

jaded 03-08-2012 03:02 PM

double post.....

jaded 03-08-2012 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by nordo (Post 1148054)
Waaay cool App! Nice job. :) Just downloaded it, and checked it out. How do you set the parameters for BOW?

What a great idea. How about one for the 700/900? Or just make this work for all three...

When I finally get un-furloughed, we won't have any more -200s at Mesa. Just those other pesky, not-so-shiny jets.

Thanks!!!

nordo, you set the parameters for bow simply by touching the 31000 with your finger, it should bring up a cursor and keyboard to let you edit it. the app will save your bow, pax weight, half weight and bag weight even if you turn your phone off.

I've been waiting on whether or not to make a 700/900 version. I wasn't quite sure if they were as weight critical as the 200

IBPilot 03-08-2012 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1148069)
I am very good friends with the CP at MWR and they use outside vendors for perf data. My point is few 91 operators will use it. As a former PIC on a CRJ the g whiz stuff only goes so far then one has to go with reality. If you think load plan is wrong and pull out the PDA for your argument, you first mistake will be to pull out the PDA. I wish I could program an APP like that. Many kudos! But regs and laws are just that. Lawyers are every where. Part 91 is fine, anything else is too risky....

according to this a pocket calculator must be dangerous and illegal to use at the gate for planning purposes?

nordo 03-08-2012 03:22 PM

Thanks! I tried it the first time and I guess my fat fingers didn't want to make it work. Tried it again, and now I can edit those fields...excellent!

More than anything else, this app just shows that there's more to life than flying... there's writing cool iOS apps if you've got the skillz.

jaded 03-08-2012 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by nordo (Post 1148102)
Thanks! I tried it the first time and I guess my fat fingers didn't want to make it work. Tried it again, and now I can edit those fields...excellent!

More than anything else, this app just shows that there's more to life than flying... there's writing cool iOS apps if you've got the skillz.

or... nervous that you're company is about to tank... ;) glad you like the app though. :D I need to find a supplement to my skills when we file for bk...

bernouli 03-08-2012 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1148050)
When you are up in front of the FAA and their attorney's explaining why you used a phone app to calculate the W&B for your flight instead of using the certified company numbers or approved vendor numbers? So again what is the point??

If you are going to sell the data to individuals, please provide the under writer that you will use for insurance purposes. Good idea, but how would anyone legally use it? Part 91 maybe anything else is a liability. Like the idea, just not sure if one looks at the legal risks it would be worth it for anything other than part 91 ops. If one can even find a 91 CL-65 operator that does not use a licensed flight planning service... Just sayin

Yet another wet blanket.

Listen buzz killington, I hope you never use your phone to check the weather.


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