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Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1155098)

3 checkride failures shouldn't be acceptable for a professional pilot. I'm sure a lot of guys don't agree with that for whatever reason, but the fact of the matter is standards must be maintained. 1 failure is understandable, 2 is unfortunate, by failure number 3 you should be starting to get the hint that you're just not cut out to fly at a professional level. There are no excuses. If you had other things going on in your life at the time that led to you failing so many checkrides, then you should have put your training off until such time that you could put your full focus and energy into attaining the correct standard.

Too many people think that attaining a professional flying licence is just a case of jumping through hoops. It isn't. There is no barrier to entry these days other than one's ability to pass checkrides and later on, the airline interview.

The standard to pass these checkrides isn't all that high. If you can't meet the standard on three different occasions, then you shouldn't be flying people around for money. Of course failures happen occasionally, but three failures should be a major alarm bell that should prompt you to think that maybe you just aren't cut out for professional flying.

What you are saying would be correct if there were an equal standard of examiners and all examiners performed to the same level. Where I instructed we used several examiners. One we called Santa Claus. He was the one every student wanted because he failed NOBODY. He even fell asleep on a couple of checkrides. We had another examiner who was ex military and a real hard @ss. He probably failed 60% of the applicants the first time and scared the hell out of students. So nobody wanted him, and would only fly with him when Santa Claus was booked. Are you telling me the student that busted three rides with MR Hard @ss was not the kind of professional pilot as someone who went on all their rides with Santa Claus? We had students that would wait for weeks just to get their rides scheduled with Santa. I call BS on this one.....once you get to the 121 world if you are busting checkrides its a different story. But the 91/141 world is so subjective it is hard to judge by failing rides because of the examiners. The CFI ride is the closest you can come to the 121 world because most of the rides are adminstered by the FAA, or examiners the FAA considers to be the best.

THe 3 checkride failure is just a way for Expressjet to weed out applicants and cull the applicants. If the pool gets too small, they will start cutting back on this. Its all supply and demand.

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Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1155098)

There is no barrier to entry these days other than one's ability to pass checkrides and later on, the airline interview.

Don't forget the 121 check ride at the end of training to start actually flying, and then IOE, and then probation for a year, and then the probation check ride.

Anyone ever fly with a guy in the 121 world that had 3 check ride bust when he was learning to fly that was still a "horrible pilot"?

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Originally Posted by pitchtrim (Post 1155107)

Anyone ever fly with a guy in the 121 world that had 3 check ride bust when he was learning to fly that was still a "horrible pilot"?

Rebecca did.

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1155142)

Rebecca did.

That is an amazingly succinct way of saying what a lot of us were thinking.

A tip of the hat to you, sir.

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1155142)

Rebecca did.

Pretty cheap shot! No wonder you are stuck at Comair for 9 years as an FO. Also, you will be a lifer as FO for the rest of your life.

Btw, Rebecca didn't fail three rides. Must get your facts straight mate!

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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1155161)

Btw, Rebecca didn't fail three rides. Must get your facts straight mate!

That's not what he said. He said she flew with a guy who had three failures.

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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1155161)

Btw, Rebecca didn't fail three rides. Must get your facts straight mate!

Sorry if you feel it was a cheap shot. The quote was:

has anyone flown with a guy in the 121 world that failed three rides and was still a horrible pilot...

and Rebecca did fly with that guy.

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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1155161)

No wonder you are stuck at Comair for 9 years as an FO. Also, you will be a lifer as FO for the rest of your life.

I don't understand this statement. Could you elaborate on what my post has to do with Delta grinding Comair into dust?

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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1155161)

Ummm......Not sure if serious.

I thought the guy she flew with had 5 failed check rides among some 121 issues? So the question still stands.