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ShyGuy 04-02-2012 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by bhmdiversion (Post 1162323)
There are bigger and better things to talk about other than a FA printed contract.

Really? What makes your JCBA more holy than the FA contract? Nice mentality, screw the other labor group, I only care about me. In case you haven't figured it out, the FAs are about to get screwed a lot worse. The world revolves around more than just your flight deck.

jayray 04-02-2012 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1162372)
I hope he's being crucified.(metaphorically of course)Scumbag. :mad:

In some countries the CEO of an organization going through bankruptcy who just took a massive raise would commit suicide over the shame. It is not that all uncommon. Menke does it with a smile on his face - while telling jokes during the employee QA session.

memphisbelle 04-02-2012 09:46 AM

Ok, so let me get this straight...SM was completely unaware of the problems at Pinnacle prior to signing on as CEO? This man has several degrees as well as prior experience as a CEO. He must not have bothered to even google it then, because the writing was on the wall as early as last year with the SEC financial reports and with PT leaving. A simple google search would have shown that PT did the same to his last airline, Lone Star. He left them one year prior to their bankruptcy as well. The airline had grown too quickly, without developing the proper infrastructure to maintain it...sound familiar?

So, SM, you took the job without doing your due diligence in ascertaining what you are getting yourself into. You sailed through the first six months of your employment with zero knowledge of what the company was about or its prospectus in the long term, and (if I heard this correctly on the call) only began to realize that there was a problem with the contracts when your RFP for MORE flying that you couldn't handle was denied. Then, you started to sound the alarm and attempt to scare people in to wage concessions to save an airline that was gone long before you or most of them ever came along. Bankruptcy was inevitable due to a crappy business plan that was being executed poorly.

But that's not your fault now is it, SM? Don't forget to hit up the BOD for a 59 percent raise. You deserve it. It's been so very hard on your family (insert tears for dramatic effect) for you to DO YOUR JOB.

Did any of you guys wake up one day and say, hey...let me go and spend $100,000 on flight school so that I can one day make less than a city bus driver, live on food stamps, and sleep in the crew room? Is it everything you thought it would be? Where are your raises?

SM, if this is harder than you thought it would be and you didn't really expect to go into bankruptcy, then you have no business being a CEO. At that point, you are a sucker because you are the only one that didn't know. PT and the rest laughed all the way to the bank.

As a former employee, I am not in the least surprised. I am, however, extraordinarily disgusted with the level of greed displayed by these individuals. The labor groups being flatly disregarded right now are the only reason the wheels didn't fall off this bus long ago. All labor groups have gone above and beyond to show good faith to that company. Only after being slapped in the face repeatedly did they reach a point at which they would take no more. I am glad to see that the wage concessions didn't go through. As many have said, it wouldn't have made one bit of difference as to whether the company went bankrupt or not, though SM did make sure to blame you several times over the course of the call.

Unfortunately, regardless of the supposed intention to maintain the labor agreements, they will very likely be rejected in bankruptcy court. How will the company afford to re-train all of the prop pilots in accordance with the seniority based furloughs? You would be letting jet trained pilots go in favor or prop guys who will still have to complete initial training. Sorry guys, I don't see it happening. How many times have you been hosed by this company? Why change up now?

End rant.

Of course, all of this is simply my opinion and pure speculation. I hope none of it's true and that you all get treated with the respect that you deserve. I sincerely do.

I wish all of you guys the best of luck. Stay strong and be safe.

bhmdiversion 04-02-2012 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1162379)
Really? What makes your JCBA more holy than the FA contract? Nice mentality, screw the other labor group, I only care about me. In case you haven't figured it out, the FAs are about to get screwed a lot worse. The world revolves around more than just your flight deck.

Last time I checked, Im not married to a Colgan/Pinnacle FA... I still have my bills to pay and not theirs.

SmitteyB 04-02-2012 09:50 AM

Removed......

CzechAirman 04-02-2012 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by memphisbelle (Post 1162381)
Ok, so let me get this straight...SM was completely unaware of the problems at Pinnacle prior to signing on as CEO? This man has several degrees as well as prior experience as a CEO. He must not have bothered to even google it then, because the writing was on the wall as early as last year with the SEC financial reports and with PT leaving. A simple google search would have shown that PT did the same to his last airline, Lone Star. He left them one year prior to their bankruptcy as well. The airline had grown too quickly, without developing the proper infrastructure to maintain it...sound familiar?

So, SM, you took the job without doing your due diligence in ascertaining what you are getting yourself into. You sailed through the first six months of your employment with zero knowledge of what the company was about or its prospectus in the long term, and (if I heard this correctly on the call) only began to realize that there was a problem with the contracts when your RFP for MORE flying that you couldn't handle was denied. Then, you started to sound the alarm and attempt to scare people in to wage concessions to save an airline that was gone long before you or most of them ever came along. Bankruptcy was inevitable due to a crappy business plan that was being executed poorly.

But that's not your fault now is it, SM? Don't forget to hit up the BOD for a 59 percent raise. You deserve it. It's been so very hard on your family (insert tears for dramatic effect) for you to DO YOUR JOB.

Did any of you guys wake up one day and say, hey...let me go and spend $100,000 on flight school so that I can one day make less than a city bus driver, live on food stamps, and sleep in the crew room? Is it everything you thought it would be? Where are your raises?

SM, if this is harder than you thought it would be and you didn't really expect to go into bankruptcy, then you have no business being a CEO. At that point, you are a sucker because you are the only one that didn't know. PT and the rest laughed all the way to the bank.

As a former employee, I am not in the least surprised. I am, however, extraordinarily disgusted with the level of greed displayed by these individuals. The labor groups being flatly disregarded right now are the only reason the wheels didn't fall off this bus long ago. All labor groups have gone above and beyond to show good faith to that company. Only after being slapped in the face repeatedly did they reach a point at which they would take no more. I am glad to see that the wage concessions didn't go through. As many have said, it wouldn't have made one bit of difference as to whether the company went bankrupt or not, though SM did make sure to blame you several times over the course of the call.

Unfortunately, regardless of the supposed intention to maintain the labor agreements, they will very likely be rejected in bankruptcy court. How will the company afford to re-train all of the prop pilots in accordance with the seniority based furloughs? You would be letting jet trained pilots go in favor or prop guys who will still have to complete initial training. Sorry guys, I don't see it happening. How many times have you been hosed by this company? Why change up now?

End rant.

Of course, all of this is simply my opinion and pure speculation. I hope none of it's true and that you all get treated with the respect that you deserve. I sincerely do.

I wish all of you guys the best of luck. Stay strong and be safe.


And how many of you regional guys did the EXACT same thing? You get on with a regional thinking it's cool to be an "airline" pilots and fly jets. With the internet and forums like these, it's impossible to not know how bad the regionals DO suck. So you for to take the job knowing it's going to suck then a few months later have some type of epiphany that they really do suck is comical.

ShyGuy 04-02-2012 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by bhmdiversion (Post 1162382)
Last time I checked, Im not married to a Colgan/Pinnacle FA... I still have my bills to pay and not theirs.

So screw them, right? Your views are shallow and disgusting to any FA reading. So a FA could say, "those stupid pilots. It's their fault. They should have taken the 7% paycut and saved the company some money. "I'm not married to a pinnacle pilot, so I dont have yo pay their bills, only mine."



Right?

fosters 04-02-2012 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1162387)
And how many of you regional guys did the EXACT same thing? You get on with a regional thinking it's cool to be an "airline" pilots and fly jets. With the internet and forums like these, it's impossible to not know how bad the regionals DO suck. So you for to take the job knowing it's going to suck then a few months later have some type of epiphany that they really do suck is comical.

The real truth is that for 99% of guys, going to a commuter is a step up from where they are. Me included.

LostInPA 04-02-2012 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1162387)
And how many of you regional guys did the EXACT same thing? You get on with a regional thinking it's cool to be an "airline" pilots and fly jets. With the internet and forums like these, it's impossible to not know how bad the regionals DO suck. So you for to take the job knowing it's going to suck then a few months later have some type of epiphany that they really do suck is comical.

Set down the glass of bitter, man. 'You' regional guys? We're all professional pilots, regardless of your opinion on the subject. Pretty classless to bash some people who just found out that their livelihoods may be threatened. But, what to expect from someone who's 'experienced' and 'senior'.

God bless all of you at 9L/9E/XJ.

samballs 04-02-2012 10:08 AM

Whats with the Q's. Do they not perform as advertised. Or is it just the contract they have them under with united.


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