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In all honsety I have never had a passenger complain about the Q after flying in it. Its a great plane from a passenger standpoint.
The regionals should be a stepping stone but with over half the pilots in regional land, that ship has sailed. For many, it has to be a carreer. |
Originally Posted by jsfBoat
(Post 1166396)
I've never heard a passenger say they don't like jets, but I hear a lot of how passengers don't like props.
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Originally Posted by seahawker01
(Post 1166399)
The regionals should be a stepping stone |
Passengers are idiots.
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Originally Posted by ThreeGreens
(Post 1166477)
Passengers are idiots.
I am sure many other jobs people feel the same way, and you walk in saying who cares about this, give me the cheapest/fast way. |
Originally Posted by ThreeGreens
(Post 1166477)
People (In groups) are idiots.
Ten Characters |
even though this thread is depressing...it has some validity for those searching to begin their airline careers at place that wont go bankrupt in 2 years.
My pick: Great Lakes |
Expect a shakeout among the 9 US Airways Express carriers and Eagle once AA and U merge. I think Eagle (well, part of it) will still be a player and perhaps several of the U feeders will consolidate, but unfortunately, I don't think there will be a seat for everyone when the music stops. 6000 pilots currently involved in this scenario and I'd expect about 4000-4500 to make the cut.
The question is who ? Got large RJ's ? Your odds go up. Senior at your carrier ? Your odds go up. Survivors should expect marginal compensation akin to what will be imposed at Eagle though, but it will take time and so most will remain employed for awhile and who knows, perhaps attrition will mitigate the damage, but I don't see the lagacies doing much hiring in the future, especially AA/U as we'll probably have a shortage of seats for all as well and have our own furlough issues. |
Expressjet seems to be a good option. They have continuosly braved poor weather in the marketplace. And are hiring like gangbusters. Also expect many to leave the ranks in the coming years.
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Originally Posted by seahawker01
(Post 1166399)
The regionals should be a stepping stone but with over half the pilots in regional land, that ship has sailed. For many, it has to be a carreer. (Below not directed at you personally seahawker) I know what kind of hiring market this has been in the past 10 years but it still boggles my mind how some see more career potential in the outsourced, lowest paid, interchangeable level of the profession versus working for the source company with much bigger airplanes. Yet I know several RJ captains who see their present salary and quality of life at regional X as adequate and refuse to even apply anywhere else. Their aspiration is now getting a "bigger" RJ or getting JetBlue's contract! Don't get me wrong, if that is what you want fine, but when your outfit losses its contract and don't come crying. You are replaceable. |
Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
(Post 1166471)
Why? Aren't there a lot more regional planes/passengers? How is that even possible given this?
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soooooo expressjet would be a good option? really hope they give me a call. Im currently and FO on the SF340 and thinking of getting my ATP on my days off. thanks for your opinion guys.
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Originally Posted by kc135driver
(Post 1166615)
Seriously?
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
(Post 1166727)
Yeah, give me one good reason regionals should be a "stepping stone".
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
(Post 1166727)
Yeah, give me one good reason regionals should be a "stepping stone".
You want a lifetime full of that? Have fun! I'd venture to say probably 20-50% of regionals today will not exist in the next 10 years. |
Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
(Post 1166727)
Yeah, give me one good reason regionals should be a "stepping stone".
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Over the last decade the "majors" have furloughed more than they have hired. When you spend 13 years on your "stepping stone" it starts to become a foundation. Your kids/house/life does not get any younger. You start to think about shoring up that foundation.
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Originally Posted by SnoJet440
(Post 1167876)
Over the last decade the "majors" have furloughed more than they have hired. When you spend 13 years on your "stepping stone" it starts to become a foundation. Your kids/house/life does not get any younger. You start to think about shoring up that foundation.
Look at Comair. |
My point exactly. When did a Comair pilot think a strike was a stepping stone?
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Originally Posted by kc135driver
(Post 1167805)
Uh, how about career earnings to start. Guess who wins, by miles. Do you seriously think whatever you invested in flight training was worth it for a career track that tops out where co-pilots at majors average?
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Originally Posted by Vertisch
(Post 1166171)
I believe the era of the Regional business model has come to an end. It made sense when fuel was cheap, pilots were constantly cycling through keeping costs low and you could send a Dash or CRJ to a small city five times a day becuase the plane cost about $20 a seat. Since fuel is through the roof and especially since 9/11, more people are looking to make a career out of the regionals and thus think the pay should be equivalent the the legacy carriers. Thats not how a Regional works. The model is based on an endless flow of cheap labor and cheap fuel. I think it is time for the Majors to bring the flying back in house, get rid of anything below 76 seats and probably reduce flights to the smaller markets.
I knew what I was getting myself into when I joined a Regional. I knew the pay and the work rules suck, but it was never meant to be my endgame. So, I just bide my time and hope the hiring floodgates open soon. Just my .02. |
Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
(Post 1168108)
It sounds like you're talking about how things are, not a good reason for it. That right there is the issue. How many slots are there compared to regional slots? You truly still think the "major airline" job (and any chance of captain?) is the realistic end-goal? Yes, regional jobs used to be a stepping stone, but methinks you're in denial about how things have changed...
in all fairness, that's how things are right now too. at the end of the day not one of us has a crystal ball. It's an industry that historically moves in large waves. The facts are pilots are now very aware of scope release and I just don't see anyone giving another seat ever again. Make them go through bankruptcy to get because heads usually roll for that. At some point the courts are going to see what's going on here, just taking longer than we'd like. the one thing this job does is change. |
Because you are nothing more than CONTRACT FEED for a mainline partner that can give you the middle finger at any point in time. Your life cycle depends on Air Service Agreements that you can only HOPE don't get destroyed in bankruptcy, thrown out due to performance issues, or just flat out re-bid via RFP for someone who can do it cheaper.
You want a lifetime full of that? Have fun! I'd venture to say probably 20-50% of regionals today will not exist in the next 10 years. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1168172)
Because you are nothing more than CONTRACT FEED for a mainline partner that can give you the middle finger at any point in time. Your life cycle depends on Air Service Agreements that you can only HOPE don't get destroyed in bankruptcy, thrown out due to performance issues, or just flat out re-bid via RFP for someone who can do it cheaper.
You want a lifetime full of that? Have fun! I'd venture to say probably 20-50% of regionals today will not exist in the next 10 years. |
Originally Posted by bozobigtop
(Post 1168719)
You can state the exact numbers for legacy carriers as well.
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