Which Regionals are not going to last
 

which regionals might not make it past 2012 and others in the next 5 years?

All of them...we are going to move to a sophisticated unit of rickshaws, but we will all make $45,000 first year.... it will be bitter sweet...

LMFAO cant wait i wanna be called Shortround

Mesa....Eagle.

vehwee fownnee Docta Jones!!!

Pinnacle......

Colgan.....

great job picking on the weak one :D

Pinnacle, eagle, Silver, Comair, Compass, Mesa, maybe more...

This is a useless thread that serves no purpose other than to spread doom and gloom... Mods please close this down....

serves plenty of purpose cause its going to help me choose where i should go. doom and gloom is the thread on why becoming a pilot is a waste of time. now thats doom and gloom

The ones that fly airplanes...

good answer

There are plenty of other POSITIVE threads that dont incite inflammatory comments.... It you want to see some more examples look at any thread with Go-Jet in the title and see how long it lasts.

Don't mean to hijack and excuse the post from a non airline guy but there's something that I have wondered and maybe stryker might like taking it in this direction more. Where do you all see the regional industry in years to come? I remember reading this article not too long ago on how the regional business model is not sustainable.

It makes sense. Sometimes being a contract company can be a fruitful success in certain sectors. I think this is mainly true when there is not too much competition and/or there's a variety of services or goods that can be provided within that industry. Look at military contractors, there's food, uniforms, transportation, weapons etc. But with the regional airlines there's one service and no short supply of investment groups ready to throw some money at an airline.

Seems to me that with time the number of regionals will reduce through bankruptcy's, acquisitions, and mergers. And I think the remaining carriers will have to work harder at retaining pilots and the age of the regionals being a stepping stone will be gone. I really don't see as many people getting into this career considering the cost, ability to secure loans, and atp rule.

But I could be wrong and everything remains more or less the same.

This thread'll die soon enough. Nothing to sustain it for long.

To the OP: I have my doubts about Trans States Airlines. Trans States Holdings will still be going strong thanks to "the airline that shall not be named."

CCAir.




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Oh, you mean GoJet? I hear that's a lovely place to work :p

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You bein' a wise guy, huh? I see, I see how it's gonna be.




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I believe the era of the Regional business model has come to an end. It made sense when fuel was cheap, pilots were constantly cycling through keeping costs low and you could send a Dash or CRJ to a small city five times a day becuase the plane cost about $20 a seat. Since fuel is through the roof and especially since 9/11, more people are looking to make a career out of the regionals and thus think the pay should be equivalent the the legacy carriers. Thats not how a Regional works. The model is based on an endless flow of cheap labor and cheap fuel. I think it is time for the Majors to bring the flying back in house, get rid of anything below 76 seats and probably reduce flights to the smaller markets.

I knew what I was getting myself into when I joined a Regional. I knew the pay and the work rules suck, but it was never meant to be my endgame. So, I just bide my time and hope the hiring floodgates open soon. Just my .02.

Congrats, you've nicked reality.

Regional carriers realize that there won't be much attrition from the top at their operations due to the very fact they'll be flying an increasing percentage of former domestic mainline ops going forward. Thus, they'll all end up having an "Eagle dilemma" as the next few years go on. Thus, more wil declare BK and use that process to use an industry-wide methodology of ratcheting pilot rates to the lowest competitors annually.

In effect, it will ensure their costs go downward every year as inflation and healthcare rise. My advice is to watch Eagle and then note how the remainder of the regionals match their model.

Consider it a "national whipsaw" model that for intents and purposes sentences regional pilots to increasingly substandard compensation in perpetuity.

Compass???? Should I know something?

The whole regional model is built upon the idea that:

Cheap pilots +
Overhead for operating an airline +
Profit for airline

Is cheaper than flying them at mainline. With the lack of new pilots and the 1500 hour rule causing a problem in the supply curve and the FTDT regs causing a problem in the demand curve, hopefully one day regional airlines will cost themselves out of existance and it will become once again cheaper to do it at mainline.

CC Air, Independence, West Air, Allegheny, and anything that Paul Foley touches.

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A few people mentioned it so I'm in.....

Thank you.

In...

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In!
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No, but seriously we're all doomed.

In before the lock!
(i've always wanted to say that! haha)

GoJet 2 will be created in 2012 and fly Q400s for UA.

you mean go prop

Good call

FWIW, The word prop in an airline name probably would not be good for business.

Seriously. You guys are pretty lame. I mean, bottom line... you do your job, you get your time off and you go home and drink and have time with the ms. Thats it.

Why speculate who will be around in 5 years or not. It's pointless, youre not in control. Are you the ceo/president of the airline?? No, they just go to work and sit in the seat and look out the window.

If I won that dam lottery you could have counted on me to be the MFCEO of a few airlines.

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This thread is dumb...

That being said...any regional with a union will not survive.

My new theory. Delta waits for 9E to decimate the contract. They let the training involved in the senriority order furlough to cause drastic cuts in the contract to pay for it. They transfer the rest of comair's planes to 9e, the now cheapest carrier in the industry. they park a bunch of 50 seaters, transfer as many 70 plus seat rj's to 9e as possible and work on putting ASA into ch11.

I hope i'm completely wrong.

Alright, enough is enough that's 2 jpgs in your last 2 posts.

I hope you received permission from the TransStates pilots before doing that, kind of their thing. :D

Except Comair is in Ch6 negotiations and that disrupts the status quo.

I've never heard a passenger say they don't like jets, but I hear a lot of how passengers don't like props.