Preferential Interviews
 

Please write or to talk your reps about giving pref. interviews to the 121 guys that are seeing furloughs. There's absolutely no reason for any company to be considering CFIs with 121 guys on the street.

We had a deal here at XJT back in the day for ACA guys, and it worked well. Furloughed 121 guys paid their dues, CFIs and others can keep on waiting, that's the name of the game folks.

Any Captain would prefer experience over "my last airplane was a Seminole".

agree, but you guys could be more humble. I would rather a friendly CFI who works hard, over a d bag rj jockey.

I second this statement! Some of the worst guys I flew with (attitude wise) were F'ed 121 RJ guys! We are more then happy to have you work for us, just don't think you are entitled to everything!

I third this statement. While I feel for those that are furloughed- IMHO, a CFI who has the experience will likely make a greater contribution to the company than someone who will bail the second they receive a recall notice.

Now in the case of an airline completely closing their doors- that's a different story.

To each their own though.

As a current 121 guy looking at furlough, a preferential hire would be nice, but I'm definitely not entitled to anything. I would prefer to earn a job than be entitled to one. Just feeds a hazardous attitude.

Also as a former CFI that paid my dues, I think a CFI with a ton of Seminole time that has a great attitude should be given the same chance than a furloughed 121 guy.

Way to go with compassion boys, I guess a furlough will never happen to you. Who did you say you work for again SWA, FEDEX, Emirates??

When I was working as a CFI, we had more than one furloughed RJ, ERJ and other equipment FO that came to work for our flight training operation after their airline downsized. Common sense, proficiency, understanding of aerodynamics, technical ability and airmanship are not a given byproduct of airline FO training or experience.

This industry keeps shooting itself in the foot constantly.

Read much? No one said we did not want furloughed guys/gals at our companies, we would be happy to have them. Just don't go b*tching to us about "at our last company, we did this, or were entitled to that!" We don't want to hear about it, or how crappy our contract is! Just be thankful for the job you have and we will get along alright! :D

Eagle here, 400 from the bottom. However I am not owed a job because I am 121, I will get a job because I am nice, and work hard. I would like to get a pref for an interview but nothing more than that.

I think some have expressed in so many words that they would rather hire an average pilot with a great attitude than a great pilot with a bad attitude. I think if I were hiring people I'd agree. Furloughed pilots should absolutely be given interviews based on their qualifications, but it's a bit much to say that no CFIs should be given jobs with 121 guys on the street.

^ +.5

I would rather hire a lower time pilot like a CFI with a great attitude, over some RJ jockey with a mediocre attitude.

As someone who will likely be on the street soon, I think being 121 should be nothing more than the union folks guarantee you an interview. This is part of a huge problem in this country with people and entitlements. YOUR NOT SPECIAL BECAUSE YOU FLY 121 AND GET FURLOUGHED!! Alpa nationally getting ALPA members at least an interview sounds good. But some jackazz rj clown is not a better pilot or more qualified than someone fresh out the pipeline from being a CFI IMHO.

I think a lack of weeding out bad pilots exists right now. I hope maybe by being furloughed, some of these clowns might finally get brickwall by not getting hired elsewhere. I know a few at my regional, who I assume slipped through the cracks to get in the door. Prol. the same clown who started this thread. TAKE OFF THE HAT!!!

Thank you.

I agree, honestly, with how many furloughs have happened after 9-11 and then the market crash of '08, would any of these current "121 furloughs" have gotten their chance to get on a 121 carrier as they have if this policy has been in effect? I mean, I know it's tough to get furloughed and be stuck with nothing, but a hiring pool is just that, talent to choose from. Ultimately, the company has to seek someone who represents them and their image, so as long as everybody who gets an interview meets requirements, I guess previous experience really would mean little to nothing in that regard.

Just remember, if a line pilot is interviewing you, he probably isn't thinking that your time spent in an RJ is all that. If it were me doing the interview, my bar would probably be as simple as "do I really want to run a 6 day route with this guy, and be sitting next to him 8 hours a day?"...

Ok, so everyone can agree that all CFIs have great attitudes and all Furloughed RJ guys have horrible attitudes. Gotcha.

Hasty generalization?

I agree, I have more respect and enjoyment for people I fly with that admit when they are wrong, have humor, and are personable, regardless of ace skills. Good people are exactly that, whether cfi or 121. 'Nuff arguin.



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Regional pilot entitlement...should we delay independence day for these guys too?

If you really want this, then it should go both ways. If furloughed from AA (insert major airline. AA used just as an example), that pilot gets pref. interviews at other major, or legacy airlines over rj pilots. After all, he's used to flying big metal.

Again, would you really want this?

I think pilots should be given interviews based on their resume/ability/background. WHO you know seems to matter with many companies as well. I know pref interviews have been done before in some cases, and if it was a "family" of companies, ie., if the same two companies were owned by a holding company and one was hiring and the other had pilots on furlough, that I can see....but just any other furloughed guy... I don't think thats a good idea.....and YES I have had my obligatory furlough.

Who is saying anything about entitlement? Did the OP say "Lets get these guys in class ASAP and give them a raise?" No, just a "Lets get these guys an interview". Whether they get the job is still up to them.

Why should we? Because we need to take care of our own and be our brothers keeper. Lord knows management isn't gonna take care of them or help them get a job.

I guess you must have been born with 121 airline experience.



I fourth this statement, a little humility can go a long way.
I'm all for helping furloughed 121 pilots, but there's no reason to crap on lesser experienced pilots.

This Captain wouldn't.

This just drips with irony. I love how someone can cay "always hire a furloughed regional pilot over an instructor," but that same person would be livid if Majors only hired furloughed mainline guys before ever hiring a qualified 121 regional pilot.

"but but but, I have 200 hours 121 experience, how can any non 121 guy be as awesome as me?"

...get over yourself :rolleyes:

Personally, I think it should be a mix. As a former CFI, they do deserve a shot at going to the regionals, but furloughed guys need a shot too. If you've passed 121 training, you have a better idea of what to expect in class, not that you're owed something, and training should never be sluffed off because you've been there before. As a guy who's been furloughed 2 going on 3 times, and a dues paying ALPA member, it's the VERY LEAST our union can do. And for the record, I've never been given preferential anything.

An interview is just an interview... Getting the actual job is something else.

I can't believe so many people are against offering preferential interviews to furloughed 121 pilots. No one is advocating disregarding a person's attitude during the hiring process -- just taking a look at furloughed guys first. Seems like common professional courtesy and just general common sense.

You can almost bet that the guys who are against it have not been furloughed.

Or are CFI's themselves. Bottom line, is there's about to be close to 700 furloughs by years' end according to PNCL inc. and Eagle. We are talking about giving these guys a shot at the job first, if they have an attitude problem they don't get in, plain and simple.

Listen to me carefully, if you think that because you're a CFI you've pay your dues, then you're the one with the entitlement problem! Let's do some basic math which most of you don't seem to get:

Furloughed = No job.

Currently CFIing = A job.

Simple enough for some of you now? And for the record, you've not "paid your dues" until you've done reserve at a regional. So spare all of us your sob stories as most furlough guys were CFI's before, but most CFI's have never been professional pilots.

In the next few months as far as I'm concerned Pinnacolaba, Comair, and Eagle first; everyone else can wait in line.

Dude chill out . Most CFI's have not been a professional pilot. How ignorant do you sound ? Last time I checked CFI'S are paid for their services just like us. Just because they are not a 121 pilot they are not a professional pilot ? Get over yourself dude.

Seriously, where do you guys get this? Who in this entire thread has indicated that they do not want preferential hiring for furloughed 121 guys?
We are more then happy to offer preferential hiring for them, and would be happy to give you guys a shot at the job first!

Just don't come to our company, and after 3 months b*tch about the pay/contract and company and such! I'm saying this, because during the last round of furloughs a few years ago, guys were doing just that! That is all we were getting at!

How long does this great CFI attitude last once they get to the regionals?

A pilot that doesn't complain? Does such a thing exist?

Ha..that's true! Well, by all means complain about the normal stuff, just don't complain about how much better your last company was! ;)

I don't think anyone from Pinnacle s going to sy how great our company was.

Six months on the line give or take. Effects of Kool-aid wear off and jets begin to seem a lot less shiny.

You'd be surprised, I had guys from Trans States who thought TSA was the Sh*t..lol!

It will be hard to beat Eagles work rules right now. If things play out like you all are thinking it may, then your going to have a few 100 or 1000 guys coming around that will tell you how awesome Eagle use to be.

Nope, I agree. No reason. However, around '07 I remember a flight student who had no desire to get a CFI because all she needed was her multi to get a job at a regional. Sad, I learned a lot as a CFI and plan on always keeping it current.

Agreed, I probably was at my sharpest academically as a CFI, however,I try to hit the books,attend FAA seminars,listen to other pilots and always be open to learn.
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Exactly. I am always glad to see a pilot from Chicago Express who was let go currently working and picked up by another carrier/operator. I am happy for them personally that they landed on their feet.

I also agree that Furloughed = No Job and CFI = A Job (and probably making more money too.).

SWA requires 1000 TPIC and I remember Air Tran requiring 500 121 PIC,so experience does matter,I mean, this is a profession of ratings/hours/logbooks/currency right?

I just want our profession to take care of our own. Attitude is not mutually exclusive to CFI/121/91K/135 et al.

Be professional,humble,grateful and safe.

Is this a dating request? Shouldnt this be in craigslist for pilots seeking pilots?