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rickair7777 10-24-2006 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 72748)
Got another question for you young guys who are up to your eye balls in flight time: what is your damn hurry? If you got hired TODAY, thats 4 years MINIMUM to upgrade. Regardless what the upgrade time is at the company. Do you really want to sling gear in a B1900 at Colgan or where ever else might hire you for 4 years? At 19 you should go to college, party yourself silly, have drunk sex with random girls and not have to worry about reserve phone time, 30 in 7 conflicts, when your next PC is due, is the company paying me right, is what they're asking me to do legal, when am i going to eat next, how quickly can I cover the 3 S's (sh!t, shower and shave) in the morning and all those other glamourous things that go on in the regional airline world. Thats just my 2 cents.

He has a very, very good point here...

JGonzalez1305 10-24-2006 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 72748)
Something else you young guys with rediculous amounts of time might be overlooking is that it can smell fishy to the hiring department at most airlines. I guarantee it will come up at an interview and the last thing they want to hear is "i flew around for sh!ts and giggles, paying for it out of my (or mommy and daddy's) pocket". Diamnd15, how are you flying 110hrs a month if you aren't already employed? When I was instructing at one of the largest aviation colleges in the country with a full load of students. doing checkrides and maxing out my duty time every month, I was averaging 80 hours a month of flight time.

Got another question for you young guys who are up to your eye balls in flight time: what is your damn hurry? If you got hired TODAY, thats 4 years MINIMUM to upgrade. Regardless what the upgrade time is at the company. Do you really want to sling gear in a B1900 at Colgan or where ever else might hire you for 4 years? At 19 you should go to college, party yourself silly, have drunk sex with random girls and not have to worry about reserve phone time, 30 in 7 conflicts, when your next PC is due, is the company paying me right, is what they're asking me to do legal, when am i going to eat next, how quickly can I cover the 3 S's (sh!t, shower and shave) in the morning and all those other glamourous things that go on in the regional airline world. Thats just my 2 cents.

I dont know. Its not really a rush, but more of a "why waste time" type of feeling. Regardless of whether I'd be right seat for 1 month or 10 years flying commercially is what I've always wanted to do. As for my personal life and what I should be doing, I'm 19, married and have a son, so I think that what I'm trying to achieve in flying now would be more beneficial then trying to screw random girls. I'm taking college courses, and other than flying, have a part time job. So I have my hands full now. For those of you wondering, I have my CFI checkride in 3 weeks, so its not like I'm completely avoiding that. Its just that only very few people I met want to be a lifetime CFI, the rest are just using it as a time builder. With this said, I have 800 hours and building, so I kind of don't need to be a CFI. Now before all you start yelling at me, I have the utmost respect for CFI's, after all, it was a CFI who taught me to fly.

JGonzalez1305 10-24-2006 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 72643)
A CFI has been considered by some to be the most difficult checkride that people take prior to their 121 stuff. So, it may also show the company that "until now" you've passed the most diff. checkride that's available (because, that will also help show that you might have better promise to pass the 121 ride which is to come) Personally, i'd try to see if there were any 135 type ops around that'd be willing to hire you, even on a part time basis, doing hops in a king air while going to school could be helpful, and it'll show you have some professional flying ability plus some ability to work in a crew.

I've just recently heard from many(including you) about how getting the CFI ticket is a plus being that it is a hard test. I have my test in about 3 weeks or so, so I'm looking forward to that.

As for 135, AmFlight is the only thing that comes to mind in the Southwest / California region and they have a minimum age requirement. If anybody can think of other 135 without age requirements, please let me know.

FlyJSH 10-25-2006 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by JGonzalez1305 (Post 72782)
I dont know. Its not really a rush, but more of a "why waste time" type of feeling...... As for my personal life and what I should be doing, I'm 19, married and have a son...... Its just that only very few people I met want to be a lifetime CFI, the rest are just using it as a time builder. With this said, I have 800 hours and building, so I kind of don't need to be a CFI. Now before all you start yelling at me, I have the utmost respect for CFI's, after all, it was a CFI who taught me to fly.

"why waste my time" and "I kind of don't need to be a CFI" are very telling statements. I don't mean to be rude, you probably don't know enough about flying to be a good airline pilot (I know I was not and darn near every person I knew with the experience you desribe didn't either). You will probably learn more as a CFI than just about any flying you will probably ever do (no, I am not a 121 pilot, but I have been flying 135 single pilot for nearly half your life). I know I learned more in the first 100 hours of flight instructing than in any other 1000 hours I have flown. Even if one does not wish to flight instruct as a living or time builder, it is a different environment and any new enviornment lets one learn new things. Heck, I am working on my glider ratings now for fun and have learned a ton more about flying in the "slow flight" realm in a few hours than I have flying powered aircraft.

A note about those folks that "don't want to learn." I have yet to meet anyone who is willing to spend $3-4000 on a private ticket that didn't want to learn. (Perhaps you are projecting your attitude on other, but that is not my place to say)

If you choose not to be a CFI, fine, but don't say in an interview it is a waste of time. Tons of folks who are employed as pilots have been CFIs and you would ruffle some feathers. You could get away with saying something like I chose to fly as a glider tower or pipeline patrol because the schedule allowed me to finish my degree.

Finnaly, the pilots that scare me the most are the ones who don't realise they are mortal or think they have learned all there is to know.

Good luck,
J

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 10-25-2006 01:30 AM

If you have no patience flight instructing right now, I can only imagine what you'll be like 4 years down the road as the most senior FO at your company!!! You'll be the infamous FO with severe case of "captain-itus." You’ll feel like every captain there is your student bastard from hell. Of course, I’m exaggerating to make a point.

Brother let me tell you; you seem to be a nice guy with family, etc. Please do not rush to the airlines because many major airlines won't hire you without a degree. Please get your degree, be a great husband and a father and the airline thing will happen sooner than you think. Don’t get “locked” into a first officer position because you’ll be able to watch all your friends upgrade and move onto bigger airlines leaving you behind. You’ll be so miserable then.

Now, if you were at an airline where it takes decades to upgrade, like Eagle, you probably wouldn’t even notice your age because by the time your upgrade comes up you’ll be pretty darn close to your retirement! ;) Kiddin' of course, well, kind of.

Anyway, you have a great future ahead of you; get a degree, keep building flight time, network for future references and you'll be golden! Good Luck!


Also...
"I know I learned more in the first 100 hours of flight instructing than in any other 1000 hours I have flown."

I agree 100% with this statement!

tenpiloto 10-25-2006 02:39 AM


Originally Posted by rytheflyguy (Post 72519)
Get your CFI now.

Enroll in college for January 2007 in something other than aviation. I recommend finance if you can stomach it. Go to a state or community college and do not accumulate debt.

Have fun at college. Meet girls. Go to parties. Don't do anything dumb that will follow you around such as a public intox charge.

Use the CFI to instruct enough to stay current without spending money.

Finish the four year degree. You'll want it for a major and may need it to fall back on in bad aviation times.

Absolutely!!! Extemely good advice. Been in this business for 39 years, and never ever regretted getting that degree. But you should also check into military flying after your degree, in particular Air Force transport flying. A lot of fun, and extremely good experience.

ERJ135 10-25-2006 04:33 AM

[QUOTE=freezingflyboy;72748]Something else you young guys with rediculous amounts of time might be overlooking is that it can smell fishy to the hiring department at most airlines. I guarantee it will come up at an interview and the last thing they want to hear is "i flew around for sh!ts and giggles, paying for it out of my (or mommy and daddy's) pocket".

It came up in my interview. Though I had a CFI. They went through all my logbooks and couldn't figure out why it took me 100+ hrs to get a private pilot. The answer was easy, flying once a week since I was 14:D Then they though it was pretty funny....

KZ1000Shaft 10-25-2006 05:22 AM

19 yo, married, and a son? Sounds like someone had a hard with "safety" at a young age and got some chic knocked up. Now he is married to her. If you add being away all the time to your immaturity that marriage is doomed to fail.


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 72748)
how quickly can I cover the 3 S's (sh!t, shower and shave) in the morning and all those other glamourous things that go on in the regional airline world. Thats just my 2 cents.

The good thing is time wont be wasted with the shave if you aren't growing hair on your chin yet. So I guess it's more of the 2 S's

robthree 10-25-2006 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by tenpiloto (Post 72796)
....check into military flying after your degree, in particular Air Force transport flying. A lot of fun, and extremely good experience.


Not to mention that:

1) You can make a career out of it (and retire in your 40's).
and
2) Make contacts which will help you get hired at any major you choose.

diamnd15 10-25-2006 05:56 AM

well first off i am a cfi with a few students, but also i fly as a traffic watch pilot. i am not in any hurry to get to the regionals but if i have the chance to go to a good one, i would. well i maybe 19, i still get to act like one and have fun with all of my time off. this is just my full time jobs and how i pay the bills, im very happy with where i am now and the people i get to fly with, and dont plan on dropping out of college either.


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