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trip 04-19-2012 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1171695)
As an ex OO guy I have to chime in here. It's not United that is pushing this, it's your own company. UAL wants the on-time. They pay by the flight, not flight time. Many contracts pay whether the flight runs or not. Others pay less so your management needs to cut costs to make a profit. Your regional management pays you, the pilot, by the minute. They are the ones driving any cost savings inititiatives. By not paying you a few minutes here and there it saves millions per year.

Back when Skywest had only 700 pilots we manually filled out overtime sheets for each leg. Even if we only had one minute of overtime we would fax the pay sheet to headquarters. I personally overheard BH at a Christmas party in PDX say the company saved $1.5 million per year in overtime due to lazy pilots not sending in the overtime sheets. See, the captain had to send it in for the whole crew.

Skywest was growing like crazy now. The volume of faxes to headquarters grew and grew. Pilots were getting smarter about pay. Only one person in St. George was manning the overtime desk and was swamped. The company asked SAPA to ask the pilots to stop sending in overtime sheets for just one or two minutes. Personally knowing how much the company saved for each lost minute I was happy to see SAPA grow some nuts. They said they would agree but only if 10 minutes of credit was added to each leg. The company got the hint.

Long rant but my point is that each minute counts. Millions can be saved by screwing you, the pilot.


UAL don't want to pay the block if they can get out of it.
Drop the brake when your ready & cleared. Cancel the push when the crew walks away, headset missing, tug, towbar etc...

detpilot 04-19-2012 06:21 AM

My humble opinion... Door closed, passengers are the crew's responsibility. I don't fly for united, but if I were to get a call, my response would be that if I'm responsible, I'm getting paid. At some point we have thave to grow some balls.

paxhauler85 04-19-2012 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by logic1 (Post 1171616)

So no single engine taxi?

Not on the dash. They rigged the CRJ up differently.

paxhauler85 04-19-2012 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1171695)
As an ex OO guy I have to chime in here. It's not United that is pushing this, it's your own company..

I would agree with you, but (at Mesa) these emails only went out regarding UA brake release. Nothing was said about DL or US.

atrdriver 04-19-2012 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot
As an ex OO guy I have to chime in here. It's not United that is pushing this, it's your own company. UAL wants the on-time. They pay by the flight, not flight time.


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 1171734)
I would agree with you, but (at Mesa) these emails only went out regarding UA brake release. Nothing was said about DL or US.

Semi-off topic... it was my understanding on the EV side that the company is paid by the block hour, not a rate per flight segment. Meaning underblock resulted in less revenue, and overblock resulted in increased revenue. Maybe this only applies to the DL side and not the UA side? I thought I remembered BH or SH saying that overblocking while still within A14 was desirable to the beancounters.

trip 04-19-2012 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 1171753)
Semi-off topic... it was my understanding on the EV side that the company is paid by the block hour, not a rate per flight segment. Meaning underblock resulted in less revenue, and overblock resulted in increased revenue. Maybe this only applies to the DL side and not the UA side? I thought I remembered BH or SH saying that overblocking while still within A14 was desirable to the beancounters.

Bingo!
bean-counter vs bean-counter battle. Fly safe and don't get caught in the middle.

MatchPoint 04-19-2012 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1171695)
As an ex OO guy I have to chime in here. It's not United that is pushing this, it's your own company. UAL wants the on-time. They pay by the flight, not flight time. Many contracts pay whether the flight runs or not. Others pay less so your management needs to cut costs to make a profit. Your regional management pays you, the pilot, by the minute. They are the ones driving any cost savings inititiatives. By not paying you a few minutes here and there it saves millions per year.

Back when Skywest had only 700 pilots we manually filled out overtime sheets for each leg. Even if we only had one minute of overtime we would fax the pay sheet to headquarters. I personally overheard BH at a Christmas party in PDX say the company saved $1.5 million per year in overtime due to lazy pilots not sending in the overtime sheets. See, the captain had to send it in for the whole crew.

Skywest was growing like crazy now. The volume of faxes to headquarters grew and grew. Pilots were getting smarter about pay. Only one person in St. George was manning the overtime desk and was swamped. The company asked SAPA to ask the pilots to stop sending in overtime sheets for just one or two minutes. Personally knowing how much the company saved for each lost minute I was happy to see SAPA grow some nuts. They said they would agree but only if 10 minutes of credit was added to each leg. The company got the hint.

Long rant but my point is that each minute counts. Millions can be saved by screwing you, the pilot.

No! This is United, not SkyWest! United wants us to be late so they don't have to pay the performance bonuses and they want to pay as little for the flight as possible. Since they pay by the minute, actual time blocked and not scheduled block, making us wait reduces their cost.

pause 04-19-2012 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 1171454)
1. Drop brake
2. Call for push
3. Wait 10 seconds
4. Call ramp and tell them that you had an issue pop up and that you'll need to cancel the clearance and call them back when you're ready again.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We received the same threats when I was at BloJet. So, I started doing this.

SVTCobra 04-19-2012 07:35 AM

Last time I checked, the Captain controls the parking brake NOT United.

Tchinson 04-19-2012 08:10 AM

About a week ago, United sent people to ORD to monitor this. These guys were young - must be an internship project or something. They had clipboards and a radio monitoring ramp freq. and would mark down the time each SkyWest flight called for push. They were only doing this for SkyWest flights.


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