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Interesting subject though. Delta comes to Comair and says pay cuts are needed, or they will give our airplanes to someone who can operate them cheaper. They can't afford to pay us what we were making. Then we accept the pay cuts and they turn around and give our aircraft to ASA and the like. Look at what ASA employee costs are compared to Comairs. Go figure. Not a stab at ASA, but just another blow from Delta

Nice to see this glimpse into Comair's recent history...

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Originally Posted by SWAjet (Post 87)

Be first to freeze, Comair pilots told

The Delta subsidiary says that, without mid-contract pay freezes from pilots and flight attendants, it cannot afford to buy up to 35 new jets that management says are needed to win business that is going to its competitors.

Even though Comair is owned by Delta Air Lines, Delta recently bypassed Cincinnati-based Comair and awarded a contract for regional flying to Chautauqua Airlines, a low-cost operator.

Comair will suffer if it continues to be bypassed, said analyst Ray Neidl of Calyon Securities in New York. "They won't go out of business, necessarily, but they'll have limited opportunities for growth," Neidl said.

Comair president Fred Buttrell has appealed to the unions by promising expanded business could mean creating hundreds of jobs for pilots, flight attendants and mechanics.

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Originally Posted by fjetter (Post 449538)

Andy stop reviving three year old threads full of doom and gloom. :eek:

At the time we had 165 aircraft and 1850 pilots on the list.

Big Sky, Pinnacle, XJet, and Freedom/Mesa were not yet part of DCI.

The doom and gloom was if we voted down the freeze, but the freeze passed (61% to 39% IIRC) so what we have now is best case. Comair management is simply incapable of doing any better. Delta is incapable of keeping promises.

Since ALPA stepped up to help the company, we've lost/are losing around 50 planes and 650 pilots, give or take.

Hey Vage, tell me again how I can help out?

Why Andy do you do this?! Resurrect old threads just to scare us. :)

No scaring involved...it actually is kind of interesting..a then and now

what was promised..and where we are now...i think in this current environment...all pilots need to be privy to this kind of info. You NEVER know when mgmt will ask for more, and this is the kind of stuff that will make someone who's leaning towards voting "yes" to changing their vote to a resounding "no".

And it's funny to see people go OMG NO FREAKING WAY ARE YOU SERIOUS, DIDN'T WE JUST TAKE ONE LIKE 2 YEARS AGO?!??!?

I hope this will be a good lesson for those of us who came on property after the cuts and freezes. Management is trying to get our union to agree to all sort of concessions using the same old argument today that was used back then. Well look at what we got then......Does anyone think it will be different this time around?

To my union representation: Don't give an inch. They already violate our contract by letter and spirit. I'd rather be on the street than see our work rules written by J.O. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 449567)

Nice to see this glimpse into Comair's recent history...

At the time we had 165 aircraft and 1850 pilots on the list.

Big Sky, Pinnacle, XJet, and Freedom/Mesa were not yet part of DCI.

The doom and gloom was if we voted down the freeze, but the freeze passed (61% to 39% IIRC) so what we have now is best case. Comair management is simply incapable of doing any better. Delta is incapable of keeping promises.

Since ALPA stepped up to help the company, we've lost/are losing around 50 planes and 650 pilots, give or take.

Hey Vage, tell me again how I can help out?

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 450130)

You are very right. And all the pilots that came on the property after the freeze and the promises that have been given to us by management so take note. I for one will not ever vote to take a freeze or a paycut. Sorry Delta raise the ticket price to offset the cost of my pathetic wage.

I for one am counting down the days until the current contract is up and the wrath of the pilot group starts the new negotiations.

What's up with the necroposting?????:D

You can always tell when Andy is having a slow morning.

Why do you resurrect this thread every year?