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xjtguy 04-29-2012 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1178495)
As far as getting you old number back? No way. Some contracts may have a provision to rescind a resignation but as far as I know that only applies up until your last day...not after you leave.

Blanket statement, not true.

My last carrier's contractual provision was 30 days from your last day on property.

Wingtips 04-29-2012 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by SnoJet440 (Post 1178532)
Someone please tell me what other profession puts you back to "Start" anytime you switch companies? "Oh, about that 18 years of experience you have, yeah, mmmm, we are going to start you at year one with all the guys fresh out of trade school, mmmkay?"

Law firms do. Just like airlines you can move up the chain to a higher paying firm when you build experience, however when your new, your new. It takes time to become partner. Unlike airlines which it only takes time, no matter how stupid you are, a law firm will not make you partner if your a dope. Also ask a Doctor about how it is when they do their residency at a hospital, then make Doctor, what would happen if they went somewhere else without getting the require experience to move up a position.

You want to make lateral moves that is what happens.

SnoJet440 04-29-2012 06:22 PM

Not true, once you are a Dr., you are a Dr. You can go anywhere and negotiate your pay/benfits. Same with your lawyer example, don't necessarily have to make partner to make it big. Again, the lawyer takes his/her years of experience to the next gig to start pay and benefits. Also too accrue a$$ kissing for partnership.

BoilerUP 04-29-2012 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by LineCheck
Things did not pan out in my shiny new corporate gig as their need for a pilot no longer exists. I was one week into training when I got the boot.

What airplane were you training for, was it 91 or 135, and did you complete training? I sure hope so...if you were at a 142 facility that training was paid for by then!

BoilerUP 04-29-2012 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by SnoJet440 (Post 1178532)
Someone please tell me what other profession puts you back to "Start" anytime you switch companies? "Oh, about that 18 years of experience you have, yeah, mmmm, we are going to start you at year one with all the guys fresh out of trade school, mmmkay?"

Live by seniority system, die by seniority system.

yeah sure 04-29-2012 06:44 PM

The reason we have to start over at the beginning when changing jobs is because we pilots (yes, us) don't want a new guy coming in experienced or not and taking a spot that we think we should get simply out of longevity. We are the very people who would raise the roof if it were based on merit.

SnoJet440 04-29-2012 06:46 PM

This "start over" happens way too often. Think, Eastern, Braniff, People's Express, Western, etc. More recently, Atlantic Coast/Independance Air, Comair, TWA. Other historians will come up with others. Do the experienced Check Airmen/Instructors/Captains/First Officers, not have any value over the new hire? Experience that is rewarded in any other profession.

nols899 04-29-2012 07:08 PM

To the original poster. You ever talked to anyone that worked ina corporate job? In my experience, you dont know until about 6-12 months if you made the right choice. Mine worked out after that long but after 2.5 layoff, sell jet. Im now close to furlough at "fill in the blank regional piece of .... Airline" but, to jump to a corporate thing without knowing and then asking for our job back in regional world was DUMB. Sorry guy.

Wingtips 04-29-2012 07:49 PM

Well Eagle mgt. will def now know who this guy is, esp the union.

BoilerUP 04-30-2012 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by SnoJet440
Do the experienced Check Airmen/Instructors/Captains/First Officers, not have any value over the new hire?

Sure they do - just not in the sense of portable seniority and longevity.

If you had been somewhere 5 years and were on the cusp of upgrade, how would you feel if a captain from an airline that went bankrupt and shut its doors got hired and was slotted above you, in "your" captain seat?

Yeah, I'm sure your thoughts would be altruistic...


Experience that is rewarded in any other profession.
Experience gets "rewarded" in other segments of aviation...just not the airline segment of aviation where a local seniority system (vs. a national seniority system, which won't ever happen) is firmly entrenched.

There are pros and cons of both merit and seniority-based promotions...can't have the benefits without the risks.


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