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SkyHigh 05-07-2012 09:29 AM

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I was told that there are pilot factories being set up in china to produce 8000 new commercial pilots a year. It could be a myth but I am expecting that to happen eventually.

Countries like China and India have the potential to flood the market with cheap pilots. They could work on contract with major airlines all over the world and then take their low wages back home where they live like kings.

If you want to see the future just look to Europe and the rest of the world. Airline sponsored cadet programs.

Skyhigh

bcpilot 05-07-2012 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 1183455)
I was told that there are pilot factories being set up in china to produce 8000 new commercial pilots a year. It could be a myth but I am expecting that to happen eventually.

Countries like China and India have the potential to flood the market with cheap pilots. They could work on contract with major airlines all over the world and then take their low wages back home where they live like kings.

If you want to see the future just look to Europe and the rest of the world. Airline sponsored cadet programs.

Skyhigh

I don't know anything new about India & China setting up Pilot Mills to produce large quantities of Freshly Minted CPL holders.

If so was the case, there would be Ad's from Chinese flight schools recruiting massive number of Flight Instructors.....

All the Ads that I see from those 2 countries is Ads for CAPTAINS for 3 or 5 yrs contracts, for 1) to fly their planes right now & 2) lto train their FO's & groom them in to CAPTAINS in due course.

Most of the Chinese & Indian trainees used to come to USA, which provided excellent income & revenue for local small business AKA flight schools in USA & help the economy. Almost 50% of the total number of fresh CPL's issued in USA is for Indian & Chinese students....
At least that was the case earlier, but lately With the TSA becoming more & more stringent & delays in processing of applications, the potential clients & business is going to Flight schools in Australia, Canada & Phillipines....

It is not only hurting the local & national economy, it is also affecting the CFI's income & flight time..

Most of the Chinese go back to fly for their respective airlines who sponsored them.
The Indians are self sponsored (read Parent Sponsored), so they wait their luck for entry into their airlines.

Even if they want to work here in US & the airlines want to hire them in the future & even if our govt allows a work permit, they still can not work for any airline in USA..... they will not have the 1500 hrs and an ATP to work for any US airline anyways....

So, you can rest assured that the US regional airline system is sort of SAFE from that segment of the LOW cost labour... We have enough of our own people in that segment....:)

TurbineDriver 05-07-2012 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 1183313)
Pilot Jobs in China - VOR Holdings

Aeroprofessional - Vacancies for Flight Deck, Cabin Crew and Airline Head Office Staff

Aviation Jobs - Rishworth Aviation

Parc Aviation Recruitment and Resourcing

There are lots more. I put in my resume at several of these recruiting sites and they send me emails with all the new jobs.

cliff
ANC


too bad they all require PIC time and time in type. Tough market out there for an FO

bcpilot 05-07-2012 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 1183480)
too bad they all require PIC time and time in type. Tough market out there for an FO

Yes kind of true..... but not completely true.

They all want time on type & experience relevant to their ops. No one wants to train anyone......

There are a lot of FO jobs out there on a variety of A/C except saabs or metroliners....

But if you may have noticed, recently the time of type requirement is also slowly coming down; As earlier some companies wanted 1000 hrs on type, went to 500 hrs on type & now a lot of them are down to 300 hrs on type..... I assume if the trend continues, very soon we will have companies looking for people where one has experience on a similar type, Like DASH 300 vs 400 or even ATR & Q400, CRJ 700/900 to E175/190 etc...

What are you flying currently if you don't mind sharing.... I may be able to point 1 or 2 that may fit you.

D B Cooper 05-07-2012 10:43 AM

Delta Connection Academy talks about the pilot shortage comming up, as well as getting hired at American Eagle. Clearly if it's on the internet and in print it's factual. How many does Eagle have furloughed?

block30 05-07-2012 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1183452)
Note the spin in the title: "Improve Pilot Qualification", when the truth is "Relax Pilot Qualification".

Spinning the story/truth is right. Certain groups want to keep the fresh supply of cheap labor going. A guy who purports to be an airline pilot, on another forum told me the new ATP law is akin to requiring hopeful airline pilots to have "lunar landings" under their belt! The non sense train rolls along at a mighty clip!

Boomer 05-07-2012 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1183500)
...the new ATP law is akin to requiring hopeful airline pilots to have "lunar landings" under their belt!

Tim Martins has three lunar landings in his logbook. He would have four, but he let the Captain have one.

rightside02 05-07-2012 11:20 AM

What's out there for crj200 FO with 5000 hours and an ATP but no PIC ? Anyone got the crystal ball for me to hold !?

futurav8r 05-07-2012 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 1183496)
Delta Connection Academy talks about the pilot shortage coming up, as well as getting hired at American Eagle. Clearly if it's on the internet and in print it's factual. How many does Eagle have furloughed?

20 from December 2011, and 50 from April 2012. NO tellin' how many are in/through training elsewhere by now. Others are still leaving, too.

bcpilot 05-07-2012 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by rightside02 (Post 1183525)
What's out there for crj200 FO with 5000 hours and an ATP but no PIC ? Anyone got the crystal ball for me to hold !?

Same job basically posted by multiple agencies...


With the number of ads each week, the Airline may take a look at your profile...
With so much hrs on type, may not hurt to talk to either or all of them....
Pls remember the recruiter is a salesperson, make a commission only when he sells the product & get's you hired......


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