Learn About the Pilot Shortage
 

Well...that's what Aerosim (Comair/Delta Connection) want you to know....

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The facts are not incorrect. They just leave the dirty parts about seniority, bankruptcies, furloughs, mergers, etc out.

Pilot shortage?

Is there a correlation to good paying pilot jobs?

Nah, that's a reach. Totally unrelated...

I think good ol' Aerosim conveniently left out a few of reasons why people aren't getting into the industry like before, and thus the mythical 'shortage.'

Oh, I think they are using global airline retirements. I have a tabulation on my home computer, and in the US the numbers are around 1400 to 2000/year for the next several years-not 4000/year.

I have been in the airline industry for almost 26 years. I have been hearing of a pilot shortage for at least that long. It has never materialized. I don't really care anymore but I am sick of hearing about it. Not happening, it should, but it won't.

Most of the people that use these pilot mills nowadays are foreigners anyway, they get there ratings and run back home. No one in there right mind should buy into this cr@p there trying to shovel on that website,but then again there is a sucker born every minute.

Of course they run home. They make more there. We are the lowest paying industrialized nation in the industry. (heck even China pays better) This is the bottom of the pool in America as far as pilots go. that's why so many have been heading elsewhere and so few have been starting up here.

I wonder if they have testimonials from the 300 furloughed Comair pilots?

"I went to Comair Aviation Academy in 2005 and life was great for three years!"

It's called "sales," boys and girls. If you were selling a product you would do the same.

you still selling how great PNCL is? oh wait no, that all stopped.

"Looming" pilot shortage? Oh well,foreign flight students are welcome to spend $$ on aviation here ;).

I don't think anyone sold how great Pinnacle (actually Colgan) was, but some of us thought it was a reasonable/decent place following the union and the contract.

Alas, decent work rules and decent pay crippled the mighty bottom feeder.

So the lesson learned: if one works for a company that pays average wages and has average QOL, the company will be short lived.

Looks like "Jet University" reborn to me. Same crook runnining the place?

Find me a post where I did that. Are you upset because you spent some alone time with Jerry S up in State College and he didn't love you enough?

Yeah, I think the boy is confused. I've never been someone who has been called a "company sympathiser." At most I have been someone who chose to let my elected MEC do their work before developing my final opinion.

Wingtips is an angry 20-something year old who already thinks he has it all figured out, read his posts. I can understand some of his anger because of the impending furloughs at Eagle, but the boy is just misguided with his anger. He loves to blame ALPA National, the EGL MEC, and any pilot who has considered to work for any airline that he has determined to be destructive to the industry.

I'll give him as pass because of the stress he is under. We both remember what is was like to be mid 20's and have it all figured out :D

That is because Asia has a huge English speaking pilot shortage. America does not. We have a huge surplus of qualified pilots. Simple supply and demand.

I find it funny that you'd say that, since any Chinese pilot would laugh at what the industry is like over here. It's kind of insulting to the Chinese that you'd try and make the comparison.

Not true. XJT has a relatively good contract by even todays standard, and that was achieved back in 2004. They are still kickin today.

What did Pinnacle in was combining all 3 carriers pilots into one list as quickly as they did. There was no need for that. Running the three carriers separately, at least for the time being, would have saved this company millions in training events, bypass pay, combination expenses, etc. In comparison, look at ASA and XJT. The Corp bought the company, but they have NOT merged the two groups together. And why should they so soon? They have so many things to take care of before an operation should be combined with one seniority list. That idiot Bloch allowed everyone to jump across without any fences (for the time being) also hurt Pinnacle. Lets just be honest and get to the meat of the matter: it is absolutely crazy to allow everyone from all 3 airlines to jump across all 3 airlines right away. I remember I protested this back in the day when 11-08 and 11-09 were coming out. I was told this was our "contractual right" to do so, and was never given any answer on the financial viability of that option. Oh well. I guess you can't fight facts with facts.

If I were running things, and the beneficial well being of Pinnacle pilots was my #1 interest, I would have never agreed to one list, nor binding arbitration. I'd rather take the potential chance of a future whipsaw then a guaranteed loss of a fleet cut, aka the Mesaba Saabs (which was known at the time) and the entire Colgan operation (which wasn't known at the time, but the writing was on the wall ever since the BUF crash).

After all the dust settles from all of the mergers including AA and USA they will all slightly shrink. Ticket prices will go back up because there will be less competition so the consumer will be forced to pay more. Oil will never go back down in price. There will be retirements at the legacy level which will be promptly filled with regional,charter and corporate pilots looking to make the jump. The regional world will shrink due to the demise of the 50 seater. The legacy partners will keep a fiscal piano wire around the necks of the regionals; everyone will have to do keep their costs down or face going out of business. There will never be a shortage at the AA, DAL, UNI/CAL, SWA level.The regionals will be small enough that it won't take that many pilots to keep the classes full. And fortunately there will be plenty of suckers like myself who will be standing in line to be a airline pilot. If your lucky enough to be one of the pilots who gets selected out of a pool of 20,000 applicants than you are lucky. It is going to be brutal competition. There are folks with multiple LOR's, check airmen experience, family members, friends of chief pilots; all competing for a couple hundred slots a year. I know there are expected to be more retirements in years to come and if that actually happens then great for those who are able to switch uniforms.

I can't believe nobody noticed this little gem.

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Quote from link above...

“I have no doubt the airline simulated atmosphere Aerosim Flight Academy provides is the reason why I was successful during my airline interview, and have been successful during 121 training. I have seen first-hand the many similarities in how Aerosim’s structured training is similar to the airlines.” − Terrance O. Smith, First Officer (SureJet Airlines)

Niiice...

I guess we all know his date of hire. ;)

A-320 captains in China were getting $16K/month...In the last week I have seen these same jobs advertised at $18K and $20K/month.
E-145 Captains AND FOs wanted overseas.
E-145 and -190 captains at $15K/month, then upgrade to A-320 in one year.
A-320 captains, at the payrates above, then upgrade to the A-330 in one year.
Lots of jobs in the Middle East, India, Vietnam, Korea, Japan.

Good luck!
cliff
HKG

Is there a particular website that posts these jobs or should i just do the research on my own and find what i can.

Pilot Jobs in China - VOR Holdings

Aeroprofessional - Vacancies for Flight Deck, Cabin Crew and Airline Head Office Staff

Aviation Jobs - Rishworth Aviation

Parc Aviation Recruitment and Resourcing

There are lots more. I put in my resume at several of these recruiting sites and they send me emails with all the new jobs.

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I don't want to advertise for another website but This is one which has pretty much all the jobs, it is free to use & gives a good view of the world market, the requirements & trend.

Anyone who is flying a 777, 737 or 320 either FO or CA, should be well set here in USA & doesn't really need to look outside except if their airline is shaky, under BK or some reason like that.....

Those guys flying for regionals, specially the ones which can fold & BK any minute, really should a hard look at what they want to do if their company folds.

CRJ200 CA jobs, looks like a chinese airline is pretty desperate & few Indian airlines are REALLLLLLY desperate ATR72 & Q400 captains, these all seems like a decent gig for any CA flying for any regional which has a questionable future. They are a lot better than staring at Year 1 FO at another regional....

In ASIA, the desperation in the arilines recruiting dept's has been on the rise & is going to increase in the next 12-24 months as lot of the expat's (foriegn Pilots) flying there are in the 63-65 yrs age bracket and as a result, the T&C's or at least the pay, seem to be getting better.....

I have said this time & again, there is & there will be NO SHORTAGE for a fresh CPL but a experienced CA is in great demand, if not in USA, then at least other parts of the world....

The term "Pilot shortage" should be referred to & ineterpretted as "EXPERIENCED CAPTAIN SHORTAGE..."

A4A Calls on FAA to Improve Pilot-Qualification Proposed Rule

Not surprised.

Amazing. I doubt if it will gain any traction, particularly with the families of the Colgan Air mishap victims being ready to testify against further relaxation.

Note the spin in the title: "Improve Pilot Qualification", when the truth is "Relax Pilot Qualification".

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I was told that there are pilot factories being set up in china to produce 8000 new commercial pilots a year. It could be a myth but I am expecting that to happen eventually.

Countries like China and India have the potential to flood the market with cheap pilots. They could work on contract with major airlines all over the world and then take their low wages back home where they live like kings.

If you want to see the future just look to Europe and the rest of the world. Airline sponsored cadet programs.

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I don't know anything new about India & China setting up Pilot Mills to produce large quantities of Freshly Minted CPL holders.

If so was the case, there would be Ad's from Chinese flight schools recruiting massive number of Flight Instructors.....

All the Ads that I see from those 2 countries is Ads for CAPTAINS for 3 or 5 yrs contracts, for 1) to fly their planes right now & 2) lto train their FO's & groom them in to CAPTAINS in due course.

Most of the Chinese & Indian trainees used to come to USA, which provided excellent income & revenue for local small business AKA flight schools in USA & help the economy. Almost 50% of the total number of fresh CPL's issued in USA is for Indian & Chinese students....
At least that was the case earlier, but lately With the TSA becoming more & more stringent & delays in processing of applications, the potential clients & business is going to Flight schools in Australia, Canada & Phillipines....

It is not only hurting the local & national economy, it is also affecting the CFI's income & flight time..

Most of the Chinese go back to fly for their respective airlines who sponsored them.
The Indians are self sponsored (read Parent Sponsored), so they wait their luck for entry into their airlines.

Even if they want to work here in US & the airlines want to hire them in the future & even if our govt allows a work permit, they still can not work for any airline in USA..... they will not have the 1500 hrs and an ATP to work for any US airline anyways....

So, you can rest assured that the US regional airline system is sort of SAFE from that segment of the LOW cost labour... We have enough of our own people in that segment....:)

too bad they all require PIC time and time in type. Tough market out there for an FO

Yes kind of true..... but not completely true.

They all want time on type & experience relevant to their ops. No one wants to train anyone......

There are a lot of FO jobs out there on a variety of A/C except saabs or metroliners....

But if you may have noticed, recently the time of type requirement is also slowly coming down; As earlier some companies wanted 1000 hrs on type, went to 500 hrs on type & now a lot of them are down to 300 hrs on type..... I assume if the trend continues, very soon we will have companies looking for people where one has experience on a similar type, Like DASH 300 vs 400 or even ATR & Q400, CRJ 700/900 to E175/190 etc...

What are you flying currently if you don't mind sharing.... I may be able to point 1 or 2 that may fit you.

Delta Connection Academy talks about the pilot shortage comming up, as well as getting hired at American Eagle. Clearly if it's on the internet and in print it's factual. How many does Eagle have furloughed?

Spinning the story/truth is right. Certain groups want to keep the fresh supply of cheap labor going. A guy who purports to be an airline pilot, on another forum told me the new ATP law is akin to requiring hopeful airline pilots to have "lunar landings" under their belt! The non sense train rolls along at a mighty clip!

Tim Martins has three lunar landings in his logbook. He would have four, but he let the Captain have one.

What's out there for crj200 FO with 5000 hours and an ATP but no PIC ? Anyone got the crystal ball for me to hold !?

20 from December 2011, and 50 from April 2012. NO tellin' how many are in/through training elsewhere by now. Others are still leaving, too.

Same job basically posted by multiple agencies...


With the number of ads each week, the Airline may take a look at your profile...
With so much hrs on type, may not hurt to talk to either or all of them....
Pls remember the recruiter is a salesperson, make a commission only when he sells the product & get's you hired......


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