Pncl 12-03
 

1704 Memphis time and still nothin. Anyone else from the other carriers see it on their pages? Or am I just foolish for expecting it out on time?

Ours is in (9L).

How ugly is it?

look like a complete training sh*tstorm ! haha cant wait to see how training handles this.

Eight pages worth of training events. I still dont understand putting all these people through Q400 training, that to me is the biggest waste. And this is just round one so all of these people that were displaced to a position that they could barely hold will be displaced again.

It's out on airlinkpilots.com and mesabapilots.com 8 pages wow

It looks like 3 long-term training events within a year for this guy! I guess they never heard of staggering awarded positions with delayed effective dates to avoid this crap from happening. This management team is still showing the same ineptitude that got us into this mess in the first place.

But but but they're just following the contract! Darn Pilots

I can't for the life of me figure out why they're training a bunch of a pilots on a plane that will be parked in 5 months... It'll take 2 months minimum to get through training...

Oh well. Nothing I can do about it

I thought about bidding the Q just to be a d!ck. I could spend the rest of this year in training doing nothing. Speaking of training, where do the 9e guys who bid over to the xj 900's go to ground school?

Minney at the Pan Am facility, and why do you have Phantom status?

Okay, let me get this straight:

I am being displaced from the Saab to the Q, with a class date in August, for an airframe that will be gone before the end of year, so I can get displaced to another airframe and downgrade around New Years.

Look, just pay the me the money I would have earned, let me be trained on my ultimate airframe, save a ton of money (half a years pay), and be done with it.

Never mind, I like school.

Will you be done with class in time to even bid a line on the Q? This seems like yet another shot in the foot.

with the wind down, the people moving over from the saab to the q wont even have the senority to hold a line once they finish training. And why are we putting people into the Iah Q400? that operation stops on July 5. And why are we,,, f-it. Dumb meet dumber. New management, same dumb game

oh, and i see tons of mistskes in the thing. They awarded rj positions to junior saab displacements over senior guys on the iah Q400 that are being displaced. for the record, im going to say this will come with 8 revisions. 8 boys, place your bets on wheel o' dip****e

Wow, sorry to hear all this guys. It's funny how history, even short term history, seems destine to repeat itself. Best of luck to everyone over there.


I feel very fortunate to have escaped the colossal poop (stoopid profanity filter :D) storm that is Pinnacolaba.

Go get another type rating on them. Seems pretty simple to me. You can't fix stupid so might as well go with it

I'm sorry, but only Shy is allowed to make predictions. :roll eyes:

How many revisions Shy?;)

So what's up with all the people listed as alternates?

i agree hang around for the free type and enjoy training for its big per diem check....then just leave right after

Especially for Colgan CAs that will soon be RJ FOs. Take the Q type and pay and then hold that higher pay until you pass FO RJ training. That's a long time at the higher pay.

I need to work where you work... if you only knew of the ridiculous issues we are currently dealing with... you got out at the perfect time.

I wouldn't be surprise if most of the downgraded CA on the Colgan side will bail. I know I would if I was 2,000 or lower in seniority.

And where should I go exactly? Been here 4 years... first year pay elsewhere would be painful.

Another FU Friday email from John... I sincerely wish you guys the best. Phil and Sean really did a bang up job.

Did I say "you" or the rest of the junior CA are going somewhere? Try reading what I said. I said, it wouldn't surprise me if most of them will bail once they get downgraded.

Yep, expect another round of resignations after downgraded Colgan CAs get free type. Or at least one from this poster...

This is what i keep wondering. I am not sure how to replace 5th year pay but the way we are going you will have to be in the top 1000 to have a job. And it will be at 50% less then we get paid now. They are going to just keep asking for more.

Sorry... didn't mean to come off as argumentative... It was more of a general question to the masses. "I" being any of us... its hard to start over from scratch anywhere.

Good for you man....take every last penny you can from those fools. Steal the hotel towels and watch some pay per view porn in your hotel room before you leave the hotel on your last night.

Didn't you get that job in Australia? :confused:

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Except this company is so inept you will not be paid correctly during training. Being shorted your entire minimum guarantee and only paid per diem or vice versa gets old.

Oh yeah, I get that. The sad thing is if they came to me and said, "Since you won't get to the line until at least October (November more realistically), we will pay the difference through the new year, not train you on the Q, put you on a 200 as an FO, then cut your pay in the new year." I would be all for it.

I'm game to save the company $20k for giving me a type I will never fly. Alas, these are the same folks who negotiated a deal to break even ... at best. Clearly, they aren't very smart.


(sorry, I still have the 135 mentality of dealing with a company who wants to make money. And when it asks for favors, it gives them in return)


Chapter 7 is the answer.

That's the smart answer for those who can move on. Those with 15+ years at both Pinnacle and Mesaba cannot afford a Chptr 7.

4 years and youre a captain, thats pretty good. I just hit five years and i still have 3 and 4 year guys getting captain slots in front me. Be careful who you complain in front of. I figured you guys would be thankful to have jobs, let alone captain slots. A few more 9E guys getting downgraded to accomodate some more colgan captains.

12, but who's counting...

Uhh... I was saying taking a pay hit from 4-5+ year FO to first year somewhere else would hurt... I made no mention of which seat... sorry to hear the integration didn't help your overall seniority... perhaps next time you will have better luck. And if you want someone to blame look at Bloch... not what remains of the Colgan pilot group.

Yea, 42 back to 20 isnt an option... this should be real interesting. Im predicting a lot of unplanned career changes. The pathetic part isnt even pinnacle or gojet or bloch, its the regional executives. Theres no other word than pathetic.

Those with 15+ years at either carrier made some significant career planning errors at one point or another.

stay classy, San Diego....:roll eyes: You might want to re-ANALize that statement....

That's about as dumb as them saying "any Pinnacle FO that has been an FO here for 5 years has made some significant career planning errors." Cause let's face it.....this place goes tits up or you leave for another regional, you could very well be at the regional level for 15 years yourself....

You see, there were little things like 9/11 and '08 collapse of the economy which pretty much stagnated major hiring for the last 11 years....not to mention the explosive growth of RJ's....